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skinsguy 10-30-2014, 12:34 PM Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...
It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.
We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.
When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.
Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...
McCoy was extremely nervous in the beginning and it showed. Heck, it showed in his pre-game interview. And, absolutely, he made some mental mistakes. But the thing is, these are mistakes that are easily corrected. McCoy showed an ability to hang in and make the big plays when the team needed them the most. That's something Kirk hasn't been able to do this year.
I think it really all depends upon how mentally ready RGIII is. He could very well come in and make the same mistakes, as well as making the big plays. Overall, I'm excited to see Griffin on the field as I didn't think we'd see him at all this season, but McCoy should definitely be #2.
punch it in 10-30-2014, 12:35 PM Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...
It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.
We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.
When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.
Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...
All I hear anyone saying is that Colt is capable of beating Minn until Griff is absolutely positively healthy and ready to take over, not that Colt gives us a better chance to win. Gotta look at the big picture.
As for Colts performance on Monday Night in Dallas against one of the better defenses and in his first start in years....you are upset that Colt took a little while to shake off the nerves before he played a beautiful second half and had a couple of critical and amazing plays to win the game for us?!?!?
WillH 10-30-2014, 12:37 PM Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...
It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.
We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.
When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.
Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...
I agree with you to a point, but I think what you are not factoring in is how RG3 looked at the beginning of the season. He was struggling, and just before he got injured he started to show some signs that he was getting comfortable again. Now, coming back from an injury, and not having had the reps with the offense, he may not be where he needs to be to effectively lead this team. I think that is why people are saying he may not provide us the best chance of winning.
That said, I seriously hope he comes in and proves to everyone that he is a legit franchise QB. He needs to protect himself, he needs to protect the football, he needs to make some big plays, and he needs to show that he can operate in a pro offense.
I think he should start even if he isn't "Mentally prepared," because he needs to get reps with his offense. It is time for him to show that he is worth what we gave up to get him.
tshile 10-30-2014, 12:42 PM All I hear anyone saying is that Colt is capable of beating Minn until Griff is absolutely positively healthy and ready to take over, not that Colt gives us a better chance to win. Gotta look at the big picture.
As for Colts performance on Monday Night in Dallas against one of the better defenses and in his first start in years....you are upset that Colt took a little while to shake off the nerves before he played a beautiful second half and had a couple of critical and amazing plays to win the game for us?!?!?
I agree that we're capable of beating Minnesota with McCoy. I also agree that Griffin should not be on the field until he is ready; health wise, athletically, and mentally. I'm assuming this coaching staff is not going to put him on the field unless he is ready. It's an assumption - but I have no reason to believe that Gruden is going to be forced into putting Griffin out there before he believe's he's ready. I agree with you about the big picture.
But people are saying even if Griffin is ready - sit him one more week. That's absurd. If Griffin is ready he's head and shoulders better than McCoy. You do not sit your starting QB if he is ready for a 3rd string QB that's had multiple shots and not earned a starting job. This is absurd logic. If he's ready, you play Griffin. We're 3-5. We **do not** have the luxury of strolling into any stadium, even our own, and sitting our starting quarterback when he's ready. The fact that some thing we do is absolutely laughable.
I'm not upset at McCoy for anything. He played exactly how he should be expected to, arguably better especially when it mattered in the second half. I'm simply pointing out that people are gushing over his performance and it was hardly an elite performance, much less one that warrants benching your starter (assuming he's ready) going on the road to try to pick up your 4th win in week 9.
This fan base loves the backup quarterback. The list is long. Get over it. Griffin is the best quarterback on this team until he's been given a chance to prove otherwise, and one game against Huston and < 15 snaps against Jacksonville is hardly proof he's all of the sudden not a good quarterback.
The only way it makes sense to me (assuming he falls under the all-encompassing term 'ready') is if you've already given up on the season and you think the only thing worth playing for is seeing if Griffin is the guy for next year.
And if you've already given up on the season after a 3-5 start then lol @ you because that's also absurd.
SmootSmack 10-30-2014, 12:44 PM Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...
It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.
We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.
When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.
Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...
Colt got off to a rough start, not too surprising considering his first start in what 3 years? But he settled in and was as instrumental and leading the team to victory as anyone else on the team.
He got better as the game got along, something Cousins repeatedly failed to do.
If Griffin is healthy he should be the starter. He's undoubtedly our best QB, but Colt did everything asked of him. No need to dismiss him
punch it in 10-30-2014, 12:46 PM When I say big picture i am referring not about next year but this year. Small picture - minn, bye week. Big picture - three division games, 49ers and colts down the stretch. Lets make sure Griff is prepared in every way for that stretch. TB will be a nice tune up game for Griff after the bye.
tshile 10-30-2014, 12:48 PM I agree with you to a point, but I think what you are not factoring in is how RG3 looked at the beginning of the season. He was struggling, and just before he got injured he started to show some signs that he was getting comfortable again.
I am factoring that in, I'm just factoring it in as realizing the **entire team** has struggled all year up until the Dallas game. Even the Titans game was just bad, bad football; we won, but it was bad football by both teams. The defense had been putrid outside of the Jacksonville game until Dallas. The Special Teams was again striving for worst in league history; again until Dallas.
If we're to have a season all 3 phases of the team need to be on the ball. That includes Griffin. Seasons change on a whim. Momentum is a bitch. We may finally have some good momentum for the first time this year.
Now, coming back from an injury, and not having had the reps with the offense, he may not be where he needs to be to effectively lead this team. I think that is why people are saying he may not provide us the best chance of winning.
To me, when a coach says the guy is ready, that means:
He's medically cleared and not at risk to injure himself
He's physically good, movement/mechanics are not going to be limited
He's got enough reps with the offense to be on the same page as them
In Griffin's case, due to his age and possition, I'd add: He's not in a state where he's likely to revert to bad habits/mechanics or someone stunt his growth (or even damage it) as a young quarterback.
So if he's ready. He's ready. If he's not ready and Gruden says he's ready, then we have a problem at the HC position.
tshile 10-30-2014, 12:50 PM When I say big picture i am referring not about next year but this year. Small picture - minn, bye week. Big picture - three division games, 49ers and colts down the stretch. Lets make sure Griff is prepared in every way for that stretch. TB will be a nice tune up game for Griff after the bye.
If he's ready you put him in the game.
If he's not ready you don't. Opponent doesn't matter. Bye week doesn't matter. He's either ready or he's not.
You play the people that give you the best chance to win. The exception is when you've locked up a playoff seed, then you play people to get reps that may be needed in critical playoff positions.
We're 3-5. You play the people that give you the best chance to win.
tshile 10-30-2014, 12:53 PM Colt got off to a rough start, not too surprising considering his first start in what 3 years? But he settled in and was as instrumental and leading the team to victory as anyone else on the team.
He got better as the game got along, something Cousins repeatedly failed to do.
If Griffin is healthy he should be the starter. He's undoubtedly our best QB, but Colt did everything asked of him. No need to dismiss him
Agreed. Not trying to dismiss him at all. He did his job and arguably more.
But he's not the best quarterback on our team. And his performance on Monday night was not some exceptional performance that needs to be put up there as an argument that he should start over a 'ready' Griffin. And we're not a good enough team to risk that. Not yet, anyways.
There's a world of difference going into the bye 3-6 vs 4-5.
punch it in 10-30-2014, 12:57 PM If he's ready you put him in the game.
If he's not ready you don't. Opponent doesn't matter. Bye week doesn't matter. He's either ready or he's not.
You play the people that give you the best chance to win. The exception is when you've locked up a playoff seed, then you play people to get reps that may be needed in critical playoff positions.
We're 3-5. You play the people that give you the best chance to win.
Yes, however if Snyder is indeed overriding Grudens decision on Griff being ready that is a problem. You said yourself that u think we can beat Minny with Colt. On top of all of this it is a new offense to Griff. Colt has played in this scheme before. Griff looked not so great against Houston, and pretty good against the Jags. However as we all know Cousins looked like Jonny Unitas against the Jags. I have no idea if Griff has this offense down. None. So I still feel like giving him two more weeks of prep time is not the worst thing in the world. If he starts on Sunday (regardless of who is calling that shot), than I hope he does have it down. Httr.
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