How often does firing an NFL coach make things better?

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SouperMeister
10-20-2014, 12:44 AM
In season firings almost never help. Snyder busted that move in 2000 (the Fortune .500 team), firing Norv Turner when the team record stood at 7-6. They were destroyed the next two games, and eliminated from playoff contention before the season finale.

Avinash_Tyagi
10-20-2014, 10:17 AM
In season firings almost never help. Snyder busted that move in 2000 (the Fortune .500 team), firing Norv Turner when the team record stood at 7-6. They were destroyed the next two games, and eliminated from playoff contention before the season finale.

Probably ranks in the top 5 biggest mistakes Snyder has ever made (and that is a crowded field to begin with)

SmootSmack
10-20-2014, 10:19 AM
Turner firing, which should have happened before the season started but Snyder had just been formally approved in July, was largely a Fred Drasner decision. As was the decision to fire Schottenheimer a year later. But what's done is done.

Avinash_Tyagi
10-20-2014, 10:27 AM
But what's done is done.

Sure, but I've seen no signs that Snyder is a better Owner now than he was back then.

Perhaps a bit more patient, but patience does not equal good

irish
10-20-2014, 10:41 AM
I think making a coaching change can help. That said I dont think the churn and burn way the Skins change coaching staffs every 3 or 4 years only makes things worse.

irish
10-20-2014, 10:43 AM
Sure, but I've seen no signs that Snyder is a better Owner now than he was back then.

Perhaps a bit more patient, but patience does not equal good

DS is much better at looking like he's not involved but in reality he's every bit as involved now as he used to be.

Ruhskins
10-20-2014, 12:54 PM
You aren't looking at the stats that count. Never understood why people give a shit about defensive ranking when it comes to yards. (which we rank 7th btw)

What does count on defensive stats is ppg allowed, which we are 24th with 26.1.


I do agree with you that our offense isn't helping a single bit. Not when you have a QB that turned the ball over 10+ times the past few games.

The defensive rankings in yards should give people a clue how bad the offense's ineffectiveness is affecting the defense. We're at the bottom in 3rd down conversion and at the bottom in turnover ratio. Due to the turn overs and many 3 and outs, offense don't have to travel far to score on our defense. I'll be curious to see where we rank in time of possession.

donofriose
10-20-2014, 01:00 PM
You aren't looking at the stats that count. Never understood why people give a shit about defensive ranking when it comes to yards. (which we rank 7th btw)

What does count on defensive stats is ppg allowed, which we are 24th with 26.1.


I do agree with you that our offense isn't helping a single bit. Not when you have a QB that turned the ball over 10+ times the past few games.

Points can be overblown too. I think stats in general are always overused.

JoeRedskin
10-20-2014, 01:42 PM
DS is much better at looking like he's not involved but in reality he's every bit as involved now as he used to be.

... and you know this how? If true, fine. Just what to know your basis.

Also, in the past, I think DS's influence over-blown based on (1) statements made by our own site insiders; and (2) Actions taken by other owners that did not receive the press that DS got.

irish
10-20-2014, 01:59 PM
... and you know this how? If true, fine. Just what to know your basis.

Also, in the past, I think DS's influence over-blown based on (1) statements made by our own site insiders; and (2) Actions taken by other owners that did not receive the press that DS got.

My basis is the same as your basis, reading articles and talking to insiders.

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