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over the mountain
09-24-2014, 04:46 PM
EAST RUTHERFORD -- This week's look at the defense examines some of the good and bad that has been put on the field by the Giants early this season.

After three weeks, the numbers aren't that impressive. The Giants are ranked 22nd in total defense, 22nd in pass defense and 14th against the run.

Some of the problems (including big plays) are addressed in this week's observations. Some of the strengths (cornerbacks), too.

It's a long season though, and we haven't even reached the quarter pole. The numbers should even out and, when all is said and done, it wouldn't at all be surprising to see the Giants with a Top 10 defense for the second straight year.

Some of the main reasons are discussed in the first and second of this week's observations.

1. Man Up
The last time Redskins coach Jay Gruden went against the Giants was 2012 when he was offensive coordinator in Cincinnati. His Bengals offense torched the Big Blue defense that day in a 31-13 victory where second-year quarterback Andy Dalton threw four touchdown passes and no interceptions.

A lot has changed for the Giants since, including a good chunk of the names. Most notable for Gruden is the approach defensive coordinator Perry Fewell is taking with his secondary. In Gruden's eyes, they are playing a lot more man coverage than they did in the past.

"I think so," Gruden said Tuesday morning during a conference call with Giants reporters. "That is just my impression of just watching them for the last 23 hours. I would say my impression coming in playing the Giants from playing them a couple years ago and studying them now, I think it is totally different."

It's an interesting comment considering Fewell and the Giants were criticized after the opener for playing too much zone. It could have been that Detroit just exploited the zone in the handful of opportunities they had. Or maybe a lot more man coverage is all relative.

Fewell insists the Giants still play plenty of zone coverage, although he wasn't very willing to put an accurate number on it.

'"I won't comment on that. We are doing a little bit of both. I think it is 50/50. I'll give you a 50/50 answer on that one," he said with a smile and laugh. "I won't answer that for an exact number because I will be helping [Gruden] out. I think we have man-cover guys and we try to take advantage of that. We also can play zones because it gives you vision. We like to do a little bit of both."

The reason Fewell gave for still playing a good chunk of zone was that if they went exclusively to man-coverage, it would make life too easy for opposing coaches. They would be able to call pick plays and rubs to free up receivers on a regular basis if the Giants still didn't mix it up like they are currently doing.

2. Dominant Corners
The reason the Giants have gone to more man coverage is the strength of their cornerbacks. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Prince Amukamara have both played well, aside from Rodgers-Cromartie excusable struggles with Detroit's Calvin Johnson in the opener.

Their play changes the game, and makes life especially difficult for opposing coaches.

"Their corners are so good they can play a lot of man and bring safeties down in the box and get an extra guy down there," Gruden said. "If you want to throw the ball, they have two very good corners that are playing extremely well."

How well? Pro Football Focus has Rodgers-Cromartie ranked as their fourth-best cornerback through four games and Amukamara 17th. Atlanta, Denver and San Diego are the only other teams with a pair of cornerbacks among the Top 20.

Giants: Weekly defensive observations include Jay Gruden noticing more man instead of zone coverage | NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/09/giants_weekly_defensive_observations_include_jay_g ruden_noticing_more_man_instead_of_zone_coverage.h tml)

above is a solid write up from the Giants perspective. I only posted half the article bc i didnt want to take up a whole page but i recommend the read.

Apparently they give up big passing plays and are pulling starting FS Brown but havent said who they are replacing him with.

calia
09-24-2014, 04:58 PM
If they're playing man, let them try to cover Garcon and DJax one-on-one. They will get open, and if not, Roberts can torch them. I think our receivers (and I'd have to include Paul here too now) have become a real strength, and you cannot assumg that man coverage will work with them.

But I imagine that Fewell will realize this. I expect a lot of zone with man on occasion. Especially if they think that Gruden is expecting man coverage.

rbanerjee23
09-24-2014, 05:01 PM
We're going to give up 28 minimum. H/e offense does just enough.

31-28 skins

over the mountain
09-24-2014, 05:16 PM
EAST RUTHERFORD -- When free safety Stevie Brown allowed Texans speedster Damaris Johnson to slip behind him in Sunday's Giants victory, he also may have lost his grip on the starting job. It was the final defensive snap Brown saw in the contest, and may be the last time he's viewed as the starter at that position this year.

Quintin Demps appears set to start for the Giants opposite Antrel Rolle on Thursday night in Washington after taking snaps with the first team during practice. Rookie Nat Berhe finished the game against Houston at free safety and is the Giants' other option, even if coach Tom Coughlin said Brown remains in the safety mix.

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The veteran is stepping into a difficult spot. He'll have to keep a close eye on speedy Redskins wide receiver DeSean Jackson. It's a player Demps knows well. Jackson was his road roommate during his first two years in the league with Philadelphia.

"It's obvious. You have to keep the deep ball off you," Demps said. "Everybody in the league knows DeSean is going deep. Everybody knows that."

For that reason, Demps might be playing in Virginia when the ball is snapped from Maryland. His No. 1 job on Thursday night will be making sure none of the Redskins receivers -- particularly Jackson -- get behind him.

"Absolutely. Keep everything in front of you," Demps said. "Deep is the deepest. ... You have to play a little bit deeper with that dude. Four [steps back]. Four. It's DeSean Jackson now. All he does is run. Fast."

Even though Jackson is banged up, the Giants have made sure to plan for him on Thursday night.

"We make a special adjustment [for Jackson]," Fewell said. "You can announce that one. We'll keep our safeties a little bit deeper for that guy."

One of those safeties is expected to be Demps.


Giants: Quintin Demps appears set to start at free safety | NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/09/giants_quintin_demps_appears_set_to_start_at_free_ safety.html#incart_story_package)

SkinsGuru
09-24-2014, 05:58 PM
the redskins beat the jags 41 - 10 which is a 31 point victory . . . ny beat the jags 34 -17 (without arian foster) for a 17 point victory . . . so the Skins win by at least 14 . . . my prediction:

Skins 34
Gints 19

lol . . . its all about the math

Ruhskins
09-24-2014, 06:19 PM
the redskins beat the jags 41 - 10 which is a 31 point victory . . . ny beat the jags 34 -17 (without arian foster) for a 17 point victory . . . so the Skins win by at least 14 . . . my prediction:

Skins 34
Gints 19

lol . . . its all about the math

Unless you've time traveled forward to Nov. 30, the Giants haven't played the Jags yet. They beat Houston, the team that beat us in week 1.

Giantone
09-24-2014, 07:33 PM
the redskins beat the jags 41 - 10 which is a 31 point victory . . . ny beat the jags 34 -17 (without arian foster) for a 17 point victory . . . so the Skins win by at least 14 . . . my prediction:

Skins 34
Gints 19

lol . . . its all about the math


LOL , knowing the schedule might help .

DirtBagZ
09-24-2014, 07:40 PM
The defense should have every Redskins fan worried. Can only hope that short week and home field advantage leads to communication problems which allows front seven to get to Eli, otherwise it is going to be a long night. I am diehard Skins fan, and like the other poster, who mentioned the Jan 1987 playoff lose against the G-men, still remember those games. It is a huge game, if I were a betting man, I'd bet on the Giants, typically the Redskins have not won these 'must win games' the only exception being that glorious 7 game stretch in 2012.

TheMalcolmConnection
09-24-2014, 08:13 PM
Break the curse: Skins 35, Giants 10.
Keep on truckin' with absolute shit play in prime-time: Giants 27, Redskins 24. Skins tie the game with 1:00 minute left, give up big return on kickoff, defense stands tough at 50 yard line, 4th and 13, Eli RUNS for the first down, time out, FG as time expires (which will be longest of their kicker's career). Andre Ellington career high rushing yards (since he's a rookie who hasn't done much yet).

That's the cynical me.

Optimistic me says and believes we crush them tomorrow night. We remind them they're the new doormat of the NFCE. :D

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Bangee7
09-24-2014, 08:29 PM
Did the 'skins announce the last addition to the roster today?


Thanks.

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