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punch it in
09-22-2014, 02:53 PM
There is also another element to this discussion. Although some qb's do carry their teams to championships. Manning and the Colts, Brees and the Saints. Sometimes you do not need to have a hof QB to win one. It just might turn out that a solid oline and better D can help either guy become the next Eli Manning, Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco.

Lotus
09-22-2014, 02:53 PM
Do you understand that this happens to all QB's in the course of a game? Especially when there is 48 pass attempts? Foles flat out missed a couple wide open TD passes but no one is going to question his performance yesterday.

Of course I understand that. Hence my comment that Cousins was doing it MORE.

I'm not willing to give KC free passes the way other people are. If he was off-target, I say he was off-target. I do the same for RGIII.

tshile
09-22-2014, 02:56 PM
I mean c'mon guys. Any one saying that either RGIII or KC is the definitive answer at this point is just being silly. Any one saying that either RGIII or KC is definitively better than the other is just being silly.

KC had a great game but ...
RGIII is incredibly talented but

In 2016, one of them (at least) will not be here. I just don't think three games into Gruden's first year is the time to be making that call.

:food-smil to being rational

SmootSmack
09-22-2014, 02:58 PM
I'm not going to do it, and I'm not comparing the players-just the situation. But I suppose we were saying the same things about Ramsey early in his career. "He's only played a few games" "Of course he'll get better"...but he never did

Let's hope Cousins does

Lotus
09-22-2014, 03:04 PM
I mean c'mon guys. Any one saying that either RGIII or KC is the definitive answer at this point is just being silly. Any one saying that either RGIII or KC is definitively better than the other is just being silly.

KC had a great game but ...
RGIII is incredibly talented but

In 2016, one of them (at least) will not be here. I just don't think three games into Gruden's first year is the time to be making that call.

Three games into Gruden's first year is the time to clean house at QB and start the Glorious Caleb Hanie Era.

punch it in
09-22-2014, 03:07 PM
I'm not going to do it, and I'm not comparing the players-just the situation. But I suppose we were saying the same things about Ramsey early in his career. "He's only played a few games" "Of course he'll get better"...but he never did



Let's hope Cousins does


Imo Cousins has already shown so much more than Ramsey ever did. I cannot say I remember his first few starts but I do not ever remember thinking he "had it".

JoeRedskin
09-22-2014, 03:07 PM
I dunno, I think the "KC may be the next Rex Grossman" is more likely than "KC is the next Pat Ramsey." Ramsay was never as decisive as KC. Someone, somewhere said, "KC decides where he is going with the ball when he breaks the huddle. That's both his strength and his weakness."

Ramsey, well, he had a kick-ass arm.

Chico23231
09-22-2014, 03:22 PM
Well to put our QB situation in context go around the league and look at the trash we almost got: Jake Locker = still looks lost, best oline in the league, cant stay healthy, resembles a garbage can in the pocket. Ponder = 3rd string piece of sh*t, fooled a bunch of dumbass scouts. Tannehill = on the verge of losing his job, cant put it together, his numbers are terrible. Sam "Body cast" Bradford = not great when he played, more qualified to be a doctor than a qb

Those effing teams would poison their own QB to have Cousins or RG3

SmootSmack
09-22-2014, 03:26 PM
I dunno, I think the "KC may be the next Rex Grossman" is more likely than "KC is the next Pat Ramsey." Ramsay was never as decisive as KC. Someone, somewhere said, "KC decides where he is going with the ball when he breaks the huddle. That's both his strength and his weakness."

Ramsey, well, he had a kick-ass arm.

Like I said, not talking about the players. Talking about the situation. My point is some people just don't get better. Will Cousins? I don't know. I sure hope so. But it's naive to just assume he will, which I think is what a lot of people here are doing

JWsleep
09-22-2014, 03:33 PM
The iggles put up 37 points on us. Tough for any QB to win in that situation. And few teams can spot opponents 10 points because of ST gaffs and win.

I'm much less worried about the offense if they can put up 34 with an inexperienced backup on the road. And I don't think the iggles ever really stopped the O as much as a few missed passes/WR reads stopped the O. We'll find out about KC/RGIII in the long run.

But we're gonna need more bodies on D, especially in the secondary. We don't seem to have anyone capable of playing free safety, a crucial spot in the Pitt style D we play. We are very inexperienced/weak and corner now. And Ryan Clark, who I really like so far, is near the end of his career. I think this won't get fixed this year--but it's obviously a priority in FA/draft next year. So this means were going to continue to give up big pass plays to good teams, teams who can keep our much-improved front 7 off the QB. Get used to it: we were 3-13 last year; getting to 6-10/7-9 is a VERY big improvement, though I think we might see it. But getting beyond that requires a secondary.

I like Gruden's offense so far, and it was great to see DJax getting his moment there. Too bad we couldn't pull it out. Niles Paul was good again. Loved to see the big plays--nice screen to Helu. We put some hits on Foles but he stood tall and we never got that crucial INT. Great strip fumble, though. Fun game to watch as a football fan. Tough to lose, as a Redskins fan. F*** Philly.

Too bad about the short week, but we NEED this next one. Unfortunately, the half-assed Texans gave the gints new life there. They ran the ball well, pressured the QB, etc. Still, they are eminently beatable. Please skins, don't s*** the bed on Thursday!!!

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