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Giantone 09-20-2014, 03:42 PM Sorry but I think everyone is looking in the wrong direction ,people want to blame owners , commissioners , GM's, Coaches , stop please . The players ,it's the players and it says what as a society we will put up with it is called personal responsibility . Domestic violence is not new,so why are people upset now ,a video tape ,eff that ,that is BS ! People have been screaming about corporal punishment for years ,is it right or wrong ,people have screamed I wish it was back because the kids of today have no discipline and yes discipline and beating are two different things
So the guy who picks up your trash he used a switch on his kids ,it is your right to know about it ,do you care ? I thought in this country you were innocent till proven guilty ,yes I believe if there are accusations they should be taken seriously ,if a child or women is beaten without a doubt that person should go to jail .People ,fans don't like Goodell and want his head simple as that . The things that went down and the way they went down you can blame a couple of dozen people but to blame one person ot to narrow it down to two or three is ludicrous .The Players and society that is who and what to blame .
CRedskinsRule 09-20-2014, 04:20 PM Man you really can't stand when your man gets criticized. Its not "the players" or society. It is the individuals who
a) hit their wives and children
b) covered up the actions in an attempt to minimize the damage to their teams
c) glossed over and aided the coverups in order to minimize the impact on the sport.
Society in this case is actually not acting inappropriately IMO which is highly unusual. There is very little hyperbole that I have seen, and no calls for massive crazy legislative movements. Simply outrage at violent actions and an apparent cover-up that followed.
Giantone 09-20-2014, 05:24 PM Man you really can't stand when your man gets criticized. Its not "the players" or society. It is the individuals who
a) hit their wives and children
b) covered up the actions in an attempt to minimize the damage to their teams
c) glossed over and aided the coverups in order to minimize the impact on the sport.
Society in this case is actually not acting inappropriately IMO which is highly unusual. There is very little hyperbole that I have seen, and no calls for massive crazy legislative movements. Simply outrage at violent actions and an apparent cover-up that followed.
But what is it you want from him ,did he make mistakes , yes ,never said he didn't, did he admit to them ,yes he did .Yet you act like you didn't know this sort of thing went on and that is what I have a problem with ,many of you want to hang him out and make him the poster boy, sorry ,won't wash .What are you going to do boycott the NFL ,not watch a game ,not shop at a store ,not buy a beer . Fans don't do that for the NBA ,MLB etc ,why is the NFL different ?
CRedskinsRule 09-20-2014, 06:57 PM But what is it you want from him ,did he make mistakes , yes ,never said he didn't, did he admit to them ,yes he did .Yet you act like you didn't know this sort of thing went on and that is what I have a problem with ,many of you want to hang him out and make him the poster boy, sorry ,won't wash .What are you going to do boycott the NFL ,not watch a game ,not shop at a store ,not buy a beer . Fans don't do that for the NBA ,MLB etc ,why is the NFL different ?
Your ability to create impressive strawman arguments shine again.
First you make the argument solely about Goodell- it is not. As Smoot laid out there are several depths to the wrong decisions and actions that deserve objective criticism and sanctions.
2nd you ask the second most useless question on the internet "What would you do" . The point is Goodell, and many others throughout various levels of the NFL were in positions to act and failed.
Finally you raise up as the supposed only option one of boycotting the NFL. Surely sponsors pulling promotions affects NFL behavior and one reason the sponsors did that was because of possible consumer backlash. But even more importantly, this isn't something should require fan action and saying we can't boycott thus nothing more should be done is a simple fallacious argument.
Total number on my ignore list as of now: a giant 1
rbanerjee23 09-20-2014, 07:09 PM Laying hands on your adult spouse is domestic abuse. Laying hands on a small, defenseless child is discipline. Go figure.
rbanerjee23 09-20-2014, 07:14 PM Ray Rice should be severely punished because what he did was unconscionable. But Newsome, Bisciotti, Cass, and Goodell came across as pieces of garbage too.
Dirtbag59 09-20-2014, 08:20 PM Thousands line up to exchange Ray Rice jerseys - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11552758/thousands-line-exchange-ray-rice-jerseys)
The part I find mildly humerous is that a lot of the fans traded in their Rice jerseys for Suggs jerseys. Thats like trading in a Rae Carruth jersey for an OJ Simpson one.
CrustyRedskin 09-20-2014, 11:04 PM Thousands line up to exchange Ray Rice jerseys - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11552758/thousands-line-exchange-ray-rice-jerseys)
The part I find mildly humerous is that a lot of the fans traded in their Rice jerseys for Suggs jerseys. Thats like trading in a Rae Carruth jersey for an OJ Simpson one.
No doubt, if the NFL is serious about taking out the trash, Suggs should be in the first wave.
EARTHQUAKE2689 09-21-2014, 04:35 AM Like Matty said, when did the NFL become the "whipping boy" for all of society's problems. BTW, Hope Solo is allowed to play for the women's national team and she is facing domestic violence charges, but people don't really care. Welcome to the double standard of America. The sad part is that in about 6-8 weeks no one will give a damn because we will be on the cusp of the Aaron Hernandez trial.
Giantone 09-21-2014, 09:08 AM Like Matty said, when did the NFL become the "whipping boy" for all of society's problems. BTW, Hope Solo is allowed to play for the women's national team and she is facing domestic violence charges, but people don't really care. Welcome to the double standard of America. The sad part is that in about 6-8 weeks no one will give a damn because we will be on the cusp of the Aaron Hernandez trial.
This .
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