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Drift Reality 04-21-2005, 09:35 AM I think it was a terrible trade personally, just awful. I feel like this management treats draft picks with little regard.
3rd and 4th rounders should be the point at which you start building the meat of your team - guys who play hard, have some talent, and don't get outrageous salaries.
Also, I can't understand why we would make the trade now, before seeing who is even available at #25. I mean, why not wait until we see that there is someone we really want before pulling the trigger.
As for trading #25 and #9 to move up to #5 or #6? This would be the most idiotic thing possible. We would ultimately be trading four draft picks for one player. Since the Rickey Williams draft trade, there hasn't been a move this bad.
FRPLG 04-21-2005, 09:40 AM Yeah there has to be a plan in here somewhere. It is unusually odd to trade up to the later part of the first round this far in advance of the draft. I would think you make this kind of move once you realize the guy you are looking for is definitly going to be there otherwise you're stuck with a late first rounder and no one to pick. I think trading the 9 and 25 for edwards is insane but maybe packaging Gardner and the 25 to move up in the first gives us a shot at Williamson and Jones. I personally like the deal a lot. I'd guess that at most you end up with two or maybe three players from each draft who end up being impact players for you somewhere down the road. Getting two first rounders maybe gets a little more immediate of an impact and helps emsure that impact. Plus every year it seems like we trade next years' picks for pick this years'. A never end ing cycle that has no downside really.
backrow 04-21-2005, 09:52 AM I think it was a terrible trade personally, just awful. I feel like this management treats draft picks with little regard.
3rd and 4th rounders should be the point at which you start building the meat of your team - guys who play hard, have some talent, and don't get outrageous salaries.
Also, I can't understand why we would make the trade now, before seeing who is even available at #25. I mean, why not wait until we see that there is someone we really want before pulling the trigger.
As for trading #25 and #9 to move up to #5 or #6? This would be the most idiotic thing possible. We would ultimately be trading four draft picks for one player. Since the Rickey Williams draft trade, there hasn't been a move this bad.
Hold on, do not judge quite yet until you see what unfolds on Draft day. I think most folks want us to trade down from # 9 and possibly pick up more than we lost.
Of course, if we stay at # 9 and # 25, we go WR/CB or CB/WR. So, it may still be a win/win. Everyone equates the First round and rounds 3/4 with exactly what NE & the e-girls have done, to build through the Draft.
Well, that didn't work for HOF Coach Gibbs the first time around, so which of us can say we have HOF in front of our name?
56FAN 04-21-2005, 09:53 AM i don't know if clement of buffalo is available but i would trade for him,otehrwise it's c rogers and maybe roddy white or someone.
SmootSmack 04-21-2005, 09:56 AM I guess the latest rumor has us trading up to get Edwards, with the Browns being the most likely suitor.
I asked a friend of mine who used to cover the Browns as well as someone over at Ourlads.com scouting. According to them, the Browns are high on Merriman and Campbell (have him rated ahead of Smith and Rodgers actually) so them trading down to 9 and 25 to get those two makes sense for them
For us...I'm not so sure
SonnySamFrank 04-21-2005, 10:01 AM I think I read somewhere that Buffalo may have to cut Clements later in the year for cap reasons...so may want to wait on that trade.
Wouldn't cry if we got (9)C. Rogers and (25)R. White or M. Clayton. Trading down from 9 a couple spots and getting C. Rogers and a 2nd rounder would be sweet. Then get WR at 25 and DE in 2nd round. Maybe Chris Canty from VA?
PSUSkinsFan21 04-21-2005, 10:02 AM I agree there has to be a plan somewhere for this whole 25th pick deal. It just doesn't make sense to trade this early for a guess at who might be there at #25.
I've heard rumblings of a John Abraham or Charles Woodson trade in the mix. While that would make sense from the standpoint of what we've given up for this pick, I'm not sure how they expect to sign either of those guys and still stay under the cap enough to sign our rookies, so I'm not sure what to make of those rumors.
I don't believe the Campbell smokescreen for a second. First, why would Gibbs, at his age, want to start fresh grooming a brand new QB? We don't have time for that with our existing team. And, Campbell is just not that impressive to me. He scored a 14 on the wonderlic, and had three subpar to bad years at Auburn before finally finding success in a west coast offense in his senior year. A non-heady, west coast QB? For Gibbs? None of that makes sense.
As for packaging the picks to move up and grab Edwards? Dear God please NO. I love Edwards, but nobody in this draft is worth two first round picks, a third and a fourth (which is essentially what we'd be paying for him) and we have entirely too many other needs.
If we stay at #9 and #25 (or package Gardner and #25 to move up) I'd be ok with that. Whoever we get with the newly acquired pick better be good because we'd be paying a lot to get him, but the prospect of getting two starting-caliber players (probably WR and CB) sounds good to me. Actually, best case scenario for me:
#9: WR (or trade down a few to get another pick and still land williams or williamson)
#25: CB (this is a very deep draft for CBs, should be an eventual starter there at 25)
Gardner: Trade for a 3rd rounder (might be tough to get) and get an ILB.
That, to me, would be a successfull Day 1.
Daseal 04-21-2005, 12:02 PM Also, I can't understand why we would make the trade now, before seeing who is even available at #25. I mean, why not wait until we see that there is someone we really want before pulling the trigger.
Because Denver was actively shopping and had a few interested. Better to assure ourselves the pick (which I feel will probably be used to trade up w/ Gardner or for a vet.)
As for trading #25 and #9 to move up to #5 or #6? This would be the most idiotic thing possible. We would ultimately be trading four draft picks for one player. Since the Rickey Williams draft trade, there hasn't been a move this bad.
I agree - I didn't like the trade for the 25 to begin with, but trading up for Edwards is RIDICULOUS! We could probably trade 9 and Gardner and trade with MN, AZ, or Tampa.
The talk about this years draft being weak is kind of misleading. Though, as a whole, the draft is weak. Two positions that we're really lacking in (WR and CB) are there and the talent runs deep. Granted there aren't any big stars at many positions. CB and WR are two positions where two first round picks could get you some very good players!
TheMalcolmConnection 04-21-2005, 12:05 PM You guys think we'll take a CB or WR with the first round pick considering our new options late in the first round?
PSUSkinsFan21 04-21-2005, 12:27 PM You guys think we'll take a CB or WR with the first round pick considering our new options late in the first round?
I'd think they would want to secure a top 3 WR with #9 and wait on CB until #25 because I think the drop off from the 3rd best WR to the second tier of WR is greater than the drop off from the 3rd best CB to the second tier of CB. IMO
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