Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time

Question, assuming RG3 is healthy again what is his trade value?

Minimal to none.

To me the only advantage (and its a big one) RG3 has over KC is his ability to scramble and run. Now I'm not so sure how much that can be counted on.

I think KC can be a solid NFL QB. Not an elite but a solid starter. I dont think the Skins can trade KC because they definitely need a solid backup because RG3 does not appear to be very durable.

I would give the advantage in arm strength to RGIII, as well.

Cousins lucked out when Jay Gruden was hired because Gruden's preferred offense is a very good fit for him. That should help Kirk to succeed.

I would give the advantage in arm strength to RGIII, as well.

Cousins lucked out when Jay Gruden was hired because Gruden's preferred offense is a very good fit for him. That should help Kirk to succeed.

Hard to tell about arm strength (Djax had to wait for that bomb to get to him) but if he does have an advantage in arm strength its not enough to really matter.

Griffin definitely has a better arm and long ball, but Kirk's arm is just fine and he can certainly make all the throws.

I mean, physically, it's simply not a comparison. RGIII has elite arm strength multiple sources have made that point. Same for speed. As for KC, and like Matty said, he can make the throws and has adequate physical tools to play QB in the NFL.

In terms of the mental aspect of the game, the question for me is "Can RGIII progress in pocket awareness and working his progressions?" If yes, then his ceiling is much, much higher than KC's.

As for KC, the question for me is "How much can he improve given he is already playing in a system with which he is basically familiar? Can he cut down on T/O's or is he the latest, greatest Rex Grossman?"

Each has question marks and, in light of the circumstances, neither has really had a chance to show what they can do. Between his knee and the Shanny's offense, RGIII still has a lot to learn about the position at the pro level despite all his starts. On the other hand, KC basically had a head start by playing in a pro-style offense at the collegiate level but hasn't shown he has grown from the guy he was back then.

I think they are both good guys. As Smoot said, I believe KC can have a long, journeyman career in the NFL - that's where his talent level puts him. RGIII is still a question mark, he has all the tools to be special - really special - but we just don't know yet if he will be.

Countless?? I count 2. Romo and Brady, only two starting QB's in the NFL undrafted. Majority are 1st and 2nd rounders. Occasional 3rd rounder like Wilson or Foles. He fell to the fourth for a reason, there are flaws in his game. As you mentioned with Brees sometimes it doesn't even work with your first team. It's all about being in the right situation at the right time. I don't think, and I hope Kirk has not come close to reaching his ceiling.

He has his opportunity now, and sounds like he will have it for around 8-10 weeks. Really curious to see how everything shakes out come the bye week.

Brady was drafted in the 6th round QB

Here's why, even if he has value, Griffin won't be traded, because if he is, and he lights it up on that team, then our FO will be the biggest joke in sports history. The only way they could trade him and save face is if they get a couple first rounders out of it, and that's just not in the cards. They really made there bed with him, and now they've got to lie in it. And for my part, I would be sick, absolutely sick, if we gave up on a HOF QB after 3 seasons and saw him dominating somewhere else.

Because of this reason, once he is absolutely positively healthy, I think he's going to get the nod no matter how well Cousins is doing. If nothing else, you need to be damned sure it was Cousins that elevated the teams play and not the other way around. I think RG3 gets his shot again, and if he stinks it up Cousins may be back in. Also, it's the best chance that they will have to be able to trade either player.

Honestly, I'm starting to doubt RG3, but this team cant just give up on him after a couple serious injuries, we invested too much. I think the best case scenario out of all this is if Kirk lights it up, keeps us in the playoff race and RG3 finishes it off looking spectacular. Then, we CAN trade Cousins, because if we get a couple first rounders, or some other equal combination, we can get another second option at QB if RG3 really doesn't pan out. And if Cousins ends up being the HOF QB of the 2, yeah I guess it will still suck and feel crappy, but at least we will have gotten some value for letting him go. We will never get out of the value hole for trading Griffin.

I know I know, "we shouldn't care how we got the players, we should make decisions on how well they're playing." I totally agree to that notion in theory, but in reality business is business, and you need to see things through the lense of value. And I guess one could argue that having a HOF QB come to us from a 4th round pick would be value enough to trump the value lost in trading for Griffin, but even if Cousins wins the NFC East this year for us, can we say that we are sure enough that he will be a HOF QB to give up on the huge investment we made in RG3? I won't be that sure.

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going

Am I the only one that saw Griffin playing well to start the game on Sunday. This could have been his turnaround game the way things were going


Sure seemed that way. Damn shame.

Rodgers played behind a first ballot hall of famer and is on his way to the hall fame as well. He's the exception, not the rule. I think you're expecting too much if you're setting the bar at Aaron Rodgers. Third year or not, nothing compares to game reps and Cousins, like everyone not named Aaron Rodgers, should benefit from live game experience.

Teams should hire you for your super-human ability to identify the incurable disease of aggression. It would save them $millions in bad draft picks.

You missed my point. I am not saying Cousins will be Rodgers.

The point is that Cousins has had more time on the bench to develop than other good starters had at the start of their careers, so saying, "Cousins hasn't had a chance to develop" is simply not true.