Change of heart...

how about we trade the ravens our #9 and gardner for their #22 and #52 ?

how about we trade the ravens our #9 and gardner for their #22 and #52 ?


We should be able to do better than that, we probably could get that deal done without Gardner and still do much better.

i was just trying to think of a team that could use gardner, thats why i said the ravens. what other teams do you think could be interrsted in gardner.

i was just trying to think of a team that could use gardner, thats why i said the ravens. what other teams do you think could be interrsted in gardner.


Seahawks, their the only team I know that doesn't mind if their recievers drop half the balls thrown to them. :laughing2

I've been a pretty decent supporter of drafting Williams and I'd love it if they were able to move up a little at a good price to draft him but I also wouldn't mind trading down a couple times to get some 2nd to 3rd round picks for Greg Williams to get a young cb or 2 to mold and use our first round pick now in the early 20s to select WR Clayton of Oklahoma or maybe a bit further down and selecting that big wr from Hampton Univ.

No matter what, I still beleive even with the loss of smoot, we need a reliable big target at wr whereas I think G. Williams and copy can fully optimize the talents of our current cbs as well as any drafted in later rounds.

Guys - teams like Tampa and MN may take the oppurtunity to get Gardner and the 9th pick. Chances are for tampa one of the top 3 RBs will still be there at #9, and they get a decent WR out of the deal, not to mention save cap space. The Vikes may have less needs, I think they want DJ deep down, and not sure if anyone in the pick between us and them would take him.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/mock
A bit suprised. Every single sportsline mock (3) have Williams falling to as low as 15th, but each time past the skins.

Daseal, I wouldn't cry if we drafted him I was on his band wagon at the beggining, I just have a feeling he's the 1 guy in the top 10 who may not pan out, [ other than the QB's ] Mayok on the NFL network made an interesting point about Williams, he said he watched on more than 1 occasion 2 mediocre college CB's on different occasions jam him at the line and Williams couldn't get past them no matter what he did, I have a feeling his lack of quickness off the line or suddeness which ever you want to call it could be his achilles heel. I know he will have maybe the best pair of hand's when he arrives in the NFL, but will he be able to get open is the question, his 40 time doesn't bother me as much as his quickness off the line and coming out of his cut's that may be where he bomb's.

I still say we would have an outstanding draft if we take 1 of the top 4 CB's in the 1st, and V. Jackson in the second.
I still agree with offiss on V. Jackson. I did however just read a sporting news article on Williams and he does sound like he is the real deal. I think that he would be a monster in the league, but if we could somehow work out a trade to be able to pick up a second round pick and still be able to pick up a corner then we should only to be able to address as many areas that we can.

I say we should either take Williams, or trade down our pick pick up a second round pick and take a CB in the first round and V. Jackson in the second...

Nobody's talking about the financial ramifications of moving up to select Williams. If you take him higher, it will take more cash to sign him, which will only put us under further strain under the salary cap.

I think you just stay at 9 and take him if you really want him that bad. I personally don't want him that bad, I'd rather take a CB. I don't like paying players that much money that take so long to develop into impact players (WRs take forever, see all my other posts on WRs being slow to develop).

Moving up to get him would be a bad idea. If they draft him at 9, I won't complain.

Just a quick note. V. Jackson is rated as a 3rd round prospect on ESPN.

Guys - teams like Tampa and MN may take the oppurtunity to get Gardner and the 9th pick. Chances are for tampa one of the top 3 RBs will still be there at #9, and they get a decent WR out of the deal, not to mention save cap space. The Vikes may have less needs, I think they want DJ deep down, and not sure if anyone in the pick between us and them would take him.

I just don't see it happening. If I was Tampa or MN, and I really did want Gardner, and I knew the skins were asking for a 3rd rounder all this time, why wouldn't I just give my third rounder to the skins, get Gardner, and still get whoever I wanted in the draft? I just think putting myself in their shoes, I'd rather give up a third rounder than trade down from a spot where I'll probably be able to get whoever I want. I think this is consistent with most draft pick value charts I've seen. I don't think a third rounder plus #9 would get the skins up to #5 (bucs), so why would Gardner plus #9 work, if that's all Gardner would cost them? I guess Minnesota could be an outside shot because it's only 2 spots, but I don't know that we get Williams at #7 with what I've heard about how high some of the top teams are on him.

As for saving on cap and wanting to trade down to get who they want: Again, I'd rather use my third on Gardner and trade down indepently of that. That would allow them to get who they want later in round 1, acquire a second rounder for the #5 or #7 pick, and get Gardner for the third rounder. I just can't help but think that in any situation, they could do better than trading down for Gardner because #5 and #7 command a pretty high price.