Browns On Monday Night

Kyle Shanahan and RG were the good guys in that whole situation while Mike was the true bad guy IMO. Just my assumption, but I don't think Kyle has any ill will towards the Redskins, and vice versa with the Redskins brass.

Kyle is like the top of my buttcrack: he has the stink even if he didn't do the actual pooping.

F@#k Kyle.

In don't care about Kyle....he was fine while he was here
I care about our 1's pushing his 1's all over the field both sides of the ball....
.....httr

If winning a meaningless preseason game is high on Kyle's list so be it. It wouldn't be his call to make as the OC anyway.


Meaningless? Guess you missed the memo, this is Johnny Football vs RG3!! The most exciting billing ESPN has ever in the history of history. Smh.

Meaningless? Guess you missed the memo, this is Johnny Football vs RG3!! The most exciting billing ESPN has ever in the history of history. Smh.

I know you are joking.

But ESPN has been pumping it like that.

RGIII and Johnny football won't even play against each other in the same half's. It is more like Kirk vs. Johnny.

Johnny Manziel is not gonna put up with Kyle's mess, we will see if Kyle is there next year.

Reading this thread I realize I have no idea what part of last year's mess was Kyle's, Mike's, or Griffin's. It certainly seems like many have assigned a good portion of it to Kyle, I tended to assign it to first Mike's ego, and then Mike/Kyle working together, and reserved a certain amount for Griffin's distrust and his desire to "be loved".

It will be interesting to see Kyle's offense, without his father's guiding or controlling hand over it. And as for Manziel, I just don't see him succeeding in the AFC north, playing Baltimore twice a year, along with Cinci and Pitt. But atleast he did seem to know how to slide. (after going headfirst the first time)

Why all the hate towards Kyle? Personally I have no beef with him and wish the guy well. What did he do that was so bad? Everyone loved him in 2012. To me the issue was between Griffin and Mike with Kyle sort of caught in the middle. It's a pre season game, Kyle has a new team and a fresh new start, Mike's getting 7 million to sit on his ass and we have a new coach who seems to seems to communicate well with the players. Win win for everyone...lol.

Reading this thread I realize I have no idea what part of last year's mess was Kyle's, Mike's, or Griffin's. It certainly seems like many have assigned a good portion of it to Kyle, I tended to assign it to first Mike's ego, and then Mike/Kyle working together, and reserved a certain amount for Griffin's distrust and his desire to "be loved".

It will be interesting to see Kyle's offense, without his father's guiding or controlling hand over it. And as for Manziel, I just don't see him succeeding in the AFC north, playing Baltimore twice a year, along with Cinci and Pitt. But atleast he did seem to know how to slide. (after going headfirst the first time)

Not sticking up for MS but the situation with RG3 got out of hand partly because of RG3's ego. Here you have a 1st-2nd year QB who's best buds with the owner and has become bigger than the team, and feels like he's entitled. Snyder did the same thing with Portis. Hopefully Snyder has learned that he can't pal around with players anymore and not piss off the other 52 players. MS obviously made the situation worse by being a rat and leaking things to the media. Then of course the benching. I think also part of the issue was RG3 not wanting to run RO.

Johnny Manziel is not gonna put up with Kyle's mess, we will see if Kyle is there next year.

Kyle doesn't even want to be there this year, but you gotta put food on the table.

Anyway, I'm staying out of this conversation for personal reasons.

Just looking forward to some football again. 11 days is too long a wait between games

Not sticking up for MS but the situation with RG3 got out of hand partly because of RG3's ego. Here you have a 1st-2nd year QB who's best buds with the owner and has become bigger than the team, and feels like he's entitled. Snyder did the same thing with Portis. Hopefully Snyder has learned that he can't pal around with players anymore and not piss off the other 52 players. MS obviously made the situation worse by being a rat and leaking things to the media. Then of course the benching. I think also part of the issue was RG3 not wanting to run RO.

I think that relationship with Snyder, and the distrust of Shanahan, probably started after the Seattle game and subsequent surgery. My understanding, from press reports only is that Snyder visited him on the day of, and that was important to him (hence why I said "feeling loved") and that Shanahan didn't visit at all. I don't fault Snyder at all for going to check on his star player, or any player - which I believe he would- after a major, career changing, injury and surgery. If it's true that Shanahan didn't I do blame him for that. I tend to put a lot on the old egotistical coach who felt threatened by the fame of an young up and coming qb. That is how Shanahan had been all his coaching career, sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. In the end it didn't last year for sure.

And I had said in the post you quoted that RGIII holds some of the blame, but at 22-23, and being constantly in the spotlight, I think I minimize his blame some. If he doesn't get better along the way, then that will be a different way to frame the whole discussion.