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Schneed10 04-08-2005, 11:46 PM I've been harping on it, and harping on it, and harping on it. Finally, someone came out with an article that said the same thing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2032581
Paraphrasing Pastabelly: Rookie WRs RARELY make an impact in their first season. Since 1990, exactly 12 rookie FIRST ROUND WRs went over the 750 yard mark in their rookie season, and only 4 of those players went over 1000 (Anquan Boldin also did it as a 2nd rounder).
Only eight of those 54 first rounders had more than 60 catches.
The averages for the first-round wide receivers from the last 15 draft classes: 7.5 starts, 34.0 catches, 474.4 yards and 3.1 touchdowns.
So, for all those proponents of drafting Mike Williams or other WRs, just realize that you're not likely to get much out of them this year. And that's not my cup of tea when you're paying 9th pick type of money.
PS Too bad that the person who finally agreed with me on this had to be Pastabelly. I hate that MFer.
That Guy 04-09-2005, 04:24 AM um, got stats on the other positions (like QB or DE)? if not those stats you're flinging are completely meaningless...
Redskins8588 04-09-2005, 04:32 AM um, got stats on the other positions (like QB or DE)? if not those stats you're flinging are completely meaningless...
Why are those stats meaningless?? He is making a point that it normally takes a WR 3 years to develope in the NFL. In other threads people claim that a rookie WR can have an imediate impact in there rookie season.
I also have heard that it takes atleast 3 years for QB's also to develope. Sure you always have your players that go against the rule of thumb (Roethlisberger, Boldin) but more times than not the first and second season are usually developing years for most WR's and QB's....
Schneed10 04-09-2005, 09:58 AM QB is obviously the toughest position on rookies, in my memory the only rookie QBs in the last 15 years to have a good rookie year would be Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger. But everyone knows QBs are like that, I'm not sure it's common knowledge with WRs.
As for DEs, I can think of a lot of rookies who had good seasons. Julius Peppers, Jevon Kearse, Dwight Freeney, Terrell Suggs, Simeon Rice, Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Jason Taylor, etcetera. And these are only in the last few years, nevermind the last 15. And, just about any DE who is any good today had great sack numbers by their 2nd year. It's just an easier position to hit on in the draft.
Coaches think WR is tough because rookies have so much to learn about coverage schemes and reading the defense. WRs have to have the ability to know what the QB is going to do if he gets blitzed, if he doesn't get blitzed, if he rolls out etcetera. Plus he needs to know how to run routes when pressed in coverage, when double-teamed, etcetera. When a WR comes to the line of scrimmage, he has a basic route in mind. But when the play starts he has to be able to change it on the fly based on what the defense shows him. Rookie QBs have a hard time deciphering NFL defenses and get confused, the same goes for WRs because they're expected to learn so much.
It takes time for a WR to figure out the NFL in most cases.
I'm still in favor of taking someone like Williams if he falls to us, and I read somewhere yesterday that the Skins are possibly interested in taking Williamson too.
Should be interesting to see what the Skins do, seems like there are so many options available and so many different ways they could go. It's not like last year where the two most likely targets were Taylor and KWII.
CB, WR, or maybe even someone like Merriman all seem like realistic options.
Schneed10 04-10-2005, 12:58 AM Matty, I'm fine with taking a WR, so long as we realize that it's a pick that's really designed to make us a better team down the road. I like a long term plan, so I would be happy if we ended up with Mike Williams. I just think that if we take a WR, we need to be ready for him to be disappointing in his first season.
That Guy 04-10-2005, 03:48 AM we got gardner, moss, patten, jacobs, mccants right now, so hopefully we'll be alright either way, even without gardner...
FRPLG 04-10-2005, 10:20 AM I was initially in the same frame of mind but when you look at the players likely to be available to us at 9 there isn't a guy who jumps out as an absolute big difference maker in the first season. I think Williams will be the best receiver in the draft when everyone looks back in a couple years. I like him a lot and we could do much worse with the 9th pick.
BossHog 04-10-2005, 05:49 PM A lot of fans and experts are still sweet on Mike Williams. I'm not. Just as Maurice Clarett is hopefully the same football player he was two years ago, you can't disregard his time away from the game. That's the risk; for a young player with weight control issues to be drafted in the top 10. Answer these two questions. If Clarett was allowed to enter the draft years ago how high would he have been drafted? Why doesn't that hold true for this years draft? At number 9, I like Shawne Merriman, Antrel Rolle or Adam Jones. And they're others. There's even more value if we trade down into the 20s. Carlos Rodgers, Matt Jones (yes, I'm now a believer), and possibly Erasmus James (unlikely). :oink:
That Guy 04-10-2005, 06:25 PM if they got in last year, MW would have been around 10-15th i think and MC would have gone in the 3rd round.
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