All things offseason discussion part II

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tshile
07-17-2014, 10:30 PM
yeah I don't want him to not play his role... but the narrative from the defense, the coaching staff, and even griffin was that mike shannahan held everyone back... specifically to orakpo - that he wasn't allowed to rush.

so if this whole time the issue has been that he's been held back... let's see what happens when he's 'allowed' to rush the passer...

Giantone
07-18-2014, 04:38 AM
yeah I don't want him to not play his role... but the narrative from the defense, the coaching staff, and even griffin was that mike shannahan held everyone back... specifically to orakpo - that he wasn't allowed to rush.
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I still haven't seen that said by anyone yet ,people here have suggested it but still haven't heard anyone from the team last year .

CrustyRedskin
07-18-2014, 11:34 AM
Everyone wants Rak and Kerrigan to be nfl sack leaders. That's hard to do when your ass is losing. Start winning 10+ games a year and get some nice comfy leads in the second half of a few games and see what happens. Ex JJ Watts. 2013-14.

SirLK26
07-18-2014, 11:47 AM
I still haven't seen that said by anyone yet ,people here have suggested it but still haven't heard anyone from the team last year .

So a team official has to provide the stats for it to be true?

Or maybe you just don't come around enough to have seen the million times these stats (http://realredskins.com/2014/02/15/haslett-says-hell-turn-orkapo-and-kerrigan-loose/) have been posted.

tshile
07-18-2014, 11:55 AM
Everyone wants Rak and Kerrigan to be nfl sack leaders. That's hard to do when your ass is losing. Start winning 10+ games a year and get some nice comfy leads in the second half of a few games and see what happens. Ex JJ Watts. 2013-14.

I like you're thinking :)

A healthy griffin and an offense putting up 30+ points a game on average will do wonders for our defense in terms of sacks and turnovers :)

KI Skins Fan
07-18-2014, 11:56 AM
I just read a WAPO article which pointed out that the editors of the various NFL preview magazines think that the Redskins are one of if not the worst team in the NFL.

I don't think we're nearly that bad. In fact, I think we could win our division this season.

Nevertheless, this has made me wonder if I am indeed wearing burgundy-colored glasses. Am I nuts to think that we have improved and that RGIII can take the next step and become the leader of one of the best offenses in the league?

Also, I wonder if we, as Redskins fans, chronically overestimate our team. Surely, we won't have a repeat of last season's horror show, will we? Now I'm starting to become concerned.

What's your view of these magazine editor's predictions and our ability to see our team for what it is?

Paintrain
07-18-2014, 12:05 PM
I just read a WAPO article which pointed out that the editors of the various NFL preview magazines think that the Redskins are one of if not the worst team in the NFL.

I don't think we're nearly that bad. In fact, I think we could win our division this season.

Nevertheless, this has made me wonder if I am indeed wearing burgundy-colored glasses. Am I nuts to think that we have improved and that RGIII can take the next step and become the leader of one of the best offenses in the league?

Also, I wonder if we, as Redskins fans, chronically overestimate our team. Surely, we won't have a repeat of last season's horror show, will we? Now I'm starting to become concerned.

What's your view of these magazine editor's predictions and our ability to see our team for what it is?
I enjoy preview magazine season but they hold very little predictive value or insight. The national detached narrative for the Redskins is easy based on last season. Griffin is still injured/difficult. Rookie head coach replacing a 'legend'. Terrible defense that didn't bring in any names. Desean Jackson is another 'typical Redskins move'.

They don't actually have anyone with direct insight to the team for the most part so they won't have any clue on how Griffin's offseason has been or the change in the team from Shanahan to Gruden.

As fans we will always be more optimistic than the national scribes and certainly have more insight than most preview publications who either hire freelancers on the cheap or have someone do multiple teams so there's no way they will be able to write anything of relevance or value.

Don't worry, they'll be singing a different tune when the results on the field are different.

Lotus
07-18-2014, 12:40 PM
I just read a WAPO article which pointed out that the editors of the various NFL preview magazines think that the Redskins are one of if not the worst team in the NFL.

I don't think we're nearly that bad. In fact, I think we could win our division this season.

Nevertheless, this has made me wonder if I am indeed wearing burgundy-colored glasses. Am I nuts to think that we have improved and that RGIII can take the next step and become the leader of one of the best offenses in the league?

Also, I wonder if we, as Redskins fans, chronically overestimate our team. Surely, we won't have a repeat of last season's horror show, will we? Now I'm starting to become concerned.

What's your view of these magazine editor's predictions and our ability to see our team for what it is?

I think we do chronically overestimate the team. We're fans; it's our job to be too enthused.

But those preseason mags typically aren't worth the paper that they are printed on. Every year teams go worst-to-first and vice versa, making July's preseason magazine a joke by December.

donofriose
07-18-2014, 02:24 PM
Everyone wants Rak and Kerrigan to be nfl sack leaders. That's hard to do when your ass is losing. Start winning 10+ games a year and get some nice comfy leads in the second half of a few games and see what happens. Ex JJ Watts. 2013-14.

JJ Watt still had 10.5 sacks this year. He is a beast no matter who he plays for. There are plenty of players that rack up sacks even on bad teams. Like Robert Quinn or Mario Williams.

Orakpo and Kerrigan have to produce. There are no more excuses this year.

MTK
07-18-2014, 02:49 PM
^ Again I'll keep going back to opportunities. Those guys simply rush the passer more.

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