Taylor, Moss Miss Redskins Workouts

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha
04-07-2005, 06:19 PM
CooleyAsCanBe:

Go dig out your video tapes from last year's games.

Now, check out Dallas II. Who is the guy playing safety in a deep cover-2 in the final minute whose job it is not to let anyone behind him? HInt: He wears #36. He gets lured into watching the backfield and doesn't get to double the WR deep when Springs thinks he has deep help. Result: Winning TD. This is with less than a minute to play and the Cowboys in their own territory and out of timeouts and needing a TD. Hard to blame anyone else for that one.


Now go and check out Eagles night game. Taylor's man catches a pass at the 1 yard line for a first down - sorry I don't recall if was the TE or Westbrook. Next play is a handoff to Dorsey Levens who gets hit at the line of scrimmage by some guy wearing #36. But #36 forgets to wrap up and Levens manages to survive that "beastly hit" and score a TD. That was the difference in the game. Clean hit by #36 with lots of ferocity, but the result was "TD - Not Washington Redskins" - apologies to Frank Herzog for that one.


That is just from memory so when you do your film review from 2004, maybe you can show me where he singlehandedly won a game for the Skins. I must have been napping when that happened...

Dude was a rookie. I know you think we should have All-Pros at every position and one or two bad plays is enough to stone a guy to death Taliban-style, but ease up on the guy. He had less than 10 games experience in the NFL, was 21, and made lots of plays for us.

That Guy
04-07-2005, 06:34 PM
Now, check out Dallas II. Who is the guy playing safety in a deep cover-2 in the final minute whose job it is not to let anyone behind him? HInt: He wears #36. He gets lured into watching the backfield and doesn't get to double the WR deep when Springs thinks he has deep help. Result: Winning TD. This is with less than a minute to play and the Cowboys in their own territory and out of timeouts and needing a TD. Hard to blame anyone else for that one.

Now, go check out the other 59minutes of that game and tell me that's not why we lost instead :P one bad play can cost you the game, but only in concert with many other bad plays.

PSUSkinsFan21
04-07-2005, 08:19 PM
I don't have a problem with ST's abilities, but I think everyone can agree that he needs to improve in certain areas, regardless of whether he's behind, ahead of, or right at the curve for the development of a rookie/2nd year player. That's the point though, he does need to improve and he does need to get on the same page as the rest of the D, and these workouts are, at least in part, designed for that. I'm sorry, but until he wins NFL Defensive player of the year honors, he needs to be at the workouts and camps working on his game because he's obviously not without fault yet.
I just think things like this are very telling with respect to a guy's character and what you can expect from him. They're also often a result of the program and college that they came from.

PSUSkinsFan21
04-07-2005, 08:23 PM
Any chance we could trade Moss? LOL

TheMalcolmConnection
04-07-2005, 08:35 PM
I really do think he could pan out. I'm not counting him out already, I just think it's a very unclassy move on his part to not come to workouts.

wolfeskins
04-07-2005, 09:27 PM
[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]This just pisses me off to no end. I just don't get this "the world owes me something" attitude. This shows tremedously poor character for both of them as far as I'm concerned. What great team leaders they are!
Neither one of them have an excuse for not being there. Period.




i agree with you 100%

TheMalcolmConnection
04-07-2005, 09:30 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Taylor is working out with the rest of the Miami players in Florida. Again, I WOULD prefer him to be with the team, but I think it's a Miami tradition (even though Portis is with the team).

Moss really has no excuse.

Daseal
04-07-2005, 09:53 PM
Uh - guess who else went to Miami, Malcolm. Yep - you got i!

That being said the QB-WR connection is much more important.

Sean Taylor has a ways to go, but I wouldn't trade him for Ed Reed man for man right now. I think he is an overall better player, and will soon eclipse Reed. That's just my opinion.

SC - With the #5 pick last year - what would you have done with it? Gone Winslow, trade down, Taylor? What? I'm just curious.

That Guy
04-07-2005, 10:10 PM
With the #5 pick last year - what would you have done with it? Gone Winslow, trade down, Taylor? What? I'm just curious.

I would have traded it for freddie mitchell... THE PEOPLE'S CHAMP, ALL THE WAY!

sportscurmudgeon
04-07-2005, 10:24 PM
The Sean Taylor Fan Club can slurp him all they want. Here is a fact.

No matter what else happened in the first 59 minutes of Dallas II last year, the Skins led with less than a minute to go. The Cowboys had the ball in their end of the field and a field goal was of no value to them. ONLY a TD would provide a Cowboys' win. The defense called was a cover-2 where the safety responsibility is to double anyone going deep and NEVER let anyone get behind them.

Sean "The Beast" Taylor got suckered in by Vinnie Testaverde - never to be confused with John Elway, Dan Marino, John Unitas or Joe Montana as one of the greatest of QBs ever to play the game - and Sean Taylor blew the assignment that gave up that TD. And at that time, the Skins had no time on the clock to recover from that blunder. Read that last sentence carefully, the correct description is "blunder".

Could the Skins have been ahead by 3 TDs at that point? Possibly. You can imagine whatever you want to imagine. Imagination is a wonderful thing because it allows you to think whatever you really want to think about any topic. ON the other hand, realilty bites. Because the reality is that the Redskins led in the final minute and ST "took it in the shorts" from Vinny Testaverde. Justify and rationalize all you want but that is what happened.


Someone else said they thought Taylor wrapped up on most of his tackles last year. If you really think that is the case, you really ought to give up your drivers' license and get a guide dog. Most of the time Taylor went head-hunting and just launched himself at the ball carrier. In fact, in that Dallas II game he cost the Skins, his futile attempt to make a play after he was totally out of position managed to take out Shawn Springs. He coudln't even manage to hit the guy in the "other colored jersey".


Sean Taylor is a fine physical specimen with lots of athletic skills who will make highlight reel plays. The problem with highlight reels is that they don't show you the boneheaded mistakes that Skins' players make which cost the team yardage and field position - - and ganes! You have to look carefully at each play in each game and not let your predilictions to slurp this guy because of his physical attributes prevent you from seeing what is actually happening out there on the field.

He's a MEATHEAD. Deal with it. Hope that his "meathead-ness" does not cost the Skins more games than his physical skills can win for them. So far, he has some catching up to do.

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