Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)

Imagine what RGIII will command?

It's a big year for him but hasn't quite yet earned that type of money.

Well, once you have a franchise QB, or at least something close to one, you really can't just let them walk. Kaepernick did get overpaid, but what was SF supposed to do? Let him walk and start searching for a franchise QB again? It would likely take years to find another, years in which the team ages and loses a lot of talent. It's obvious that SF has been successful with Kaepernick at QB, and whether those wins come because of him or in spite of him, it's working. Plus, he' s only going to get better.

Like others have mentioned, if Kaep gets this much, what's RG3 going to ask for? I hate to think about that...

If he can approach what KK has already done then he might do ok.


Right... we can only hope

It's a big year for him but hasn't quite yet earned that type of money.

It doesn't matter. Cutler and Kaep both haven't earned their contracts, but still got huge ones. RGIII can be mediocre and will still get that kind of coin.

If he can approach what KK has already done then he might do ok.

Are you talking about Colin Kaep or CK? Colin better worry about what happens after Harbaugh leaves this season for the Michigan job.

Well, once you have a franchise QB, or at least something close to one, you really can't just let them walk. Kaepernick did get overpaid, but what was SF supposed to do? Let him walk and start searching for a franchise QB again? It would likely take years to find another, years in which the team ages and loses a lot of talent. It's obvious that SF has been successful with Kaepernick at QB, and whether those wins come because of him or in spite of him, it's working. Plus, he' s only going to get better.

Like others have mentioned, if Kaep gets this much, what's RG3 going to ask for? I hate to think about that...

People use the word "franchise QB" too loosely. He's not a franchise QB at this point and time. Period. The 49ers were just as good with Alex Smith behind the helm which shows you it wasn't the QB responsible for their winning.

The only franchise QBs in this league currently are: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Roethlisberger........and maybe Stafford.

Others have the potential to be but simply aren't there quite yet.

He got paid after his super bowl.



I'm just saying in order to win a super bowl you do not need a QB that takes up almost 20 million of your cap space.



Kaep is a good QB, but his contract probably means they won't be able to keep a lot of pieces that helped him be successful in place.



I just think teams are panicking and think they have to pay QB's a lot more than what they are worth otherwise they suck. San Fran made it to the NFC championship game without Kaep one year. They have a great team, Kaep is a good player but he still is just a piece on one of the most talented teams in football. He isn't a 126 million dollar piece.


Well, that superbowl came down to the wire. So I am not sure you can make the argument Flacco deserves the money and Kaep doesnt.

As for the idea that you dont need a big time qb to win a superbowl - recent history says you do. I agree to an extent that it is a team sport - you need weapons around your qb, and a defense on the other side, but the qbis a critical critical position and if you believe in Kaep,than you lock him up for the duration. I have seen enough out of him that I think he is worth it. Of course only time will tell.
If you want to make the argument that teams should spread their money around and not tie it all up in qb's that is fair, but its also just the way of the world.

People use the word "franchise QB" too loosely. He's not a franchise QB at this point and time. Period. The 49ers were just as good with Alex Smith behind the helm which shows you it wasn't the QB responsible for their winning.

The only franchise QBs in this league currently are: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Roethlisberger........and maybe Stafford.

Others have the potential to be but simply aren't there quite yet.

I know the QB position is important, but the public in general is a bit tend to overhype certain QBs. Russell Wilson and Kaep are a good example. Both are very good QBs, tons of potential, but both QBs for the most part were not asked to outright win games by themselves the way P. Manning, Brady, and Brees do. Hell, even Flacco carried his team during the playoffs the year they won the SB, even though he didn't play that great during the season.

People use the word "franchise QB" too loosely. He's not a franchise QB at this point and time. Period. The 49ers were just as good with Alex Smith behind the helm which shows you it wasn't the QB responsible for their winning.

The only franchise QBs in this league currently are: Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Roethlisberger........and maybe Stafford.

Others have the potential to be but simply aren't there quite yet.

You're right, but Kaepernick's close enough and young enough to get paid like a franchiser. Like I said before, he was overpaid, but at the same time, he had all the leverage and SF couldn't really take the chance on letting him walk.

It doesn't matter. Cutler and Kaep both haven't earned their contracts, but still got huge ones. RGIII can be mediocre and will still get that kind of coin.

I think it does matter. Kap has been the QB on a team that's made deep playoff runs the last three years. On top of that he's had some HUGE games during those playoff runs. He's still developing, he's had some bad games, but his ceiling is simply too high not to pay him. SF had no choice.

As far as Cultler is concerned, he's still had enough of a resume to get that type of money. Plus Chicago has a huge investment in him.

If Griffin has a strong year in 14, you have to pay him a similar deal that Kap got. If he plays like he did in 13, you don't extend him and let him play out his deal in 15.