Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)


skinsfan69
06-03-2014, 09:08 AM
For Redskins, pride — and hashtags — often precede their falls - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/for-redskins-pride--and-hashtags--often-precede-their-falls/2014/06/02/a31fad6e-ea6a-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html)

Jason Reid is very good here.

I can't tell if Bruce Allen has been unable to change the culture of the organization or whether he has changed things, and the new normal just looks a lot like the old normal. I'm not close enough to the situation to see any difference.

Let's give Bruce some time. It's his team now. The buck stops with him. Not the case the last four years. I do know this. The days of handing out bad contracts are over.

KI Skins Fan
06-03-2014, 11:15 AM
I'm sure you're aware that there's a number of high schools here in America with a majority Native-American population that still use the nickname Redskins. Suzan Harjo should perhaps unite her fellow "offended" Native Americans if she wants to succeed.

In addition, there's considerable evidence that the name did not begin as a racist term. And obviously it's not used as a derogatory term today. So why must it go?

Hail To the Redskins: NFL Must Save Name, Image, Legacy (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/hail-to-the-redskins-nfl-must-save-name-image-legacy/25861/)

Redskins: The debate over the Washington football team's name incorrectly invokes history. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/12/18/redskins_the_debate_over_the_washington_football_t eam_s_name_incorrectly.html)

This is a time of racial sensitivity. People are eager to get on board to fight any form of racism, real or imagined, or at least, to avoid being associated with anything that is generally perceived to be racist.

Once the press gets ahold of a story that is, to them, representative of the vestiges of racism, they will work it like a dog works a bone. People who were on the fence will be overwhelmed by the press coverage and by their friends and acquaintances who have been told what to think by the press. Eventually, the fence sitters will change their minds and support the name change.

When it becomes apparent to politicians that there is advantage to be gained by showing support for forcing the name change they will bestow on us their brand of "moral leadership" by writing letters, threatening the NFL, and eventually holding congressional hearings on the issue. In time, the NFL will tire of this unwanted congressional attention and drop their support of Dan Snyder on this issue.

That leaves only Dan Snyder, his minions, and a small group of hardcore fans on his side of the issue. At that point, it's all over. Snyder is not going to win, so why should he go through all of aggravation?

I can think of one reason. I assume that Dan Snyder is working right now on a comprehensive marketing campaign to roll out a new team name complete with new uniforms, lots and lots of cool new gear for fans to purchase, etc. Once this is ready to roll out, he'll announce that he has had a change of heart and the name will be changed. He instantly becomes a good guy who is in the spotlight and in a perfect position to roll out all the good money-making stuff. He'll take the lemons and make lemonade, as he should.

Ultimately, the team name will be changed but the resolution of this issue will not make us a moral people or contribute much to the welfare of Native American tribes. In the end, the primary change in all of this will be that Dan Snyder will get richer. That's how our system works.

scowan
06-03-2014, 11:28 AM
I think Dan should just offend everyone like Donald Sterling did ,be forced to sell and make $2 billion for his team. Is this a great country or what?!!!

Chico23231
06-03-2014, 11:33 AM
GMU names former Redskins player Brad Edwards as new athletic director | WJLA.com (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/gmu-names-former-redskins-player-brad-edwards-as-new-athletic-director-103714.html)

my alma mater getting a Redskin as AD, I like it

skinsfan69
06-03-2014, 11:45 AM
GMU names former Redskins player Brad Edwards as new athletic director | WJLA.com (http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/06/gmu-names-former-redskins-player-brad-edwards-as-new-athletic-director-103714.html)

my alma mater getting a Redskin as AD, I like it

I wonder if he'll try and bring football to Mason. I'll always remember him destroying the Bills wr's in the 92 SB. lol.

Chico23231
06-03-2014, 11:54 AM
I wonder if he'll try and bring football to Mason. I'll always remember him destroying the Bills wr's in the 92 SB. lol.

I havent been on campus for about 10 years, they always had room for it, but dont think the county or fairfax city really wanted a team.

That Guy
06-03-2014, 02:08 PM
yeah, everyone was super offended by sterling, but you realize his racism made him 2 billion dollars. 2 billion! what's karma?

SirLK26
06-03-2014, 02:09 PM
This is a time of racial sensitivity. People are eager to get on board to fight any form of racism, real or imagined, or at least, to avoid being associated with anything that is generally perceived to be racist.

Once the press gets ahold of a story that is, to them, representative of the vestiges of racism, they will work it like a dog works a bone. People who were on the fence will be overwhelmed by the press coverage and by their friends and acquaintances who have been told what to think by the press. Eventually, the fence sitters will change their minds and support the name change.

When it becomes apparent to politicians that there is advantage to be gained by showing support for forcing the name change they will bestow on us their brand of "moral leadership" by writing letters, threatening the NFL, and eventually holding congressional hearings on the issue. In time, the NFL will tire of this unwanted congressional attention and drop their support of Dan Snyder on this issue.

That leaves only Dan Snyder, his minions, and a small group of hardcore fans on his side of the issue. At that point, it's all over. Snyder is not going to win, so why should he go through all of aggravation?

I can think of one reason. I assume that Dan Snyder is working right now on a comprehensive marketing campaign to roll out a new team name complete with new uniforms, lots and lots of cool new gear for fans to purchase, etc. Once this is ready to roll out, he'll announce that he has had a change of heart and the name will be changed. He instantly becomes a good guy who is in the spotlight and in a perfect position to roll out all the good money-making stuff. He'll take the lemons and make lemonade, as he should.

Ultimately, the team name will be changed but the resolution of this issue will not make us a moral people or contribute much to the welfare of Native American tribes. In the end, the primary change in all of this will be that Dan Snyder will get richer. That's how our system works.

I'm afraid you're right. Great post.

That being said, I'm glad Snyder's holding fast with the name. And if he hangs onto it until he's absolutely forced to change, he'll still have my respect. As it is now, the money/attention-seeking Native Americans, vote-seeking politicians, and the other people that are adding their voices to the mix(perhaps in an attempt to make themselves feel better about their own racism?) are having no effect on Snyder and I love it.

Also, I don't think it's a guarantee that a new name, color scheme, and logo would equal dollars for Snyder. A huge change like that would alienate/upset a lot of fans. Many would likely begin rooting for another team.

SirLK26
06-03-2014, 02:51 PM
For Redskins, pride — and hashtags — often precede their falls - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/for-redskins-pride--and-hashtags--often-precede-their-falls/2014/06/02/a31fad6e-ea6a-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html)

Jason Reid is very good here.

I can't tell if Bruce Allen has been unable to change the culture of the organization or whether he has changed things, and the new normal just looks a lot like the old normal. I'm not close enough to the situation to see any difference.

Jason Reid is an a**hole there.

First of all, he has no idea whether the Twitter campaign was a success or failure; it certainy lifted out the fact that there are a number of Native Americans that love the team. As far as the other things Snyder has done, Reid brings out a few of the bad ones, but naturally leaves out the good ones. You know, little things like increasing the franchise revenue from $100 million in 1999 to $381 million in 2012. Players like Trent, Garcon, Hall, Fletcher, Moss, and #21, just to name a few, all came here under Snyder's watch. And sure, there've been some bad drafts in the past, like every team has had, but the drafts recently have been great. The 2012 class could very well be one of the best the Redskins have ever had, the 2013 class has a ton of potential if Reed and Thomas stay healthy, and the 2014 class looks pretty darn good too. Listen, Reid, didn't your momma teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?

Just leave a**hole. Go write for Cowboys Home (http://m.dallascowboys.com)

Ruhskins
06-03-2014, 03:10 PM
For Redskins, pride — and hashtags — often precede their falls - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/for-redskins-pride--and-hashtags--often-precede-their-falls/2014/06/02/a31fad6e-ea6a-11e3-b98c-72cef4a00499_story.html)

Jason Reid is very good here.

I can't tell if Bruce Allen has been unable to change the culture of the organization or whether he has changed things, and the new normal just looks a lot like the old normal. I'm not close enough to the situation to see any difference.

This is a terrible article. All I see is that he regurgitated some of the old team mishaps and somehow connected them to the team name situation.

In terms of the team itself, I don't remember the last time our team had a core of young talented players like they do now. Aside from the McNabb blunder, I don't remember seeing any outlandish free agency moves since Vinny was f*cking things up here. And I can't believe how someone can defend the NFL's actions against the Redskins after the uncapped year.

The sports writers at the post have become so irrelevant in providing news about the Redskins and this article is another proof.

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