Paintrain's all encompassing 'discuss all things offseason' thread (Version 2.0)

That's awesome. Where did he want to go? Glad he didn't end up on the cowboys

He was fine going anywhere but his folks are glad he stayed in the Eastern part of the country. His pops is a pastor so he probably won't travel to every game but the location is good for all of them.

i think im the last dude still rocking a faded beat up Arrington jersey.

Might have to change that this season. Cant really defend the guy anymore and he is awful on his radio show.

Be honest though dude, you were perhaps the most outspoken on the board against the trade when it happened based on the cost so of course you're going to feel this way. Absent a Redskins Super Bowl win and a Ram collapse, you're not going to say otherwise.

Anyone objective would say it's still far too early to fully judge the trade. All those first round picks and the Rams still haven't broken .500. We won the division & had a 3-13 season. Personally, I'll take the division title rather than a bunch of players.

Not true. I give them a slight edge right now. Certainly not a big one.

Michael Sam second to Johnny Manziel in rookie jersey sales - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349661/article/fans-flock-to-order-michael-sam-jerseys)

That reminds me of this...

Robert Griffin III leads NFL jersey sales in May - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8296d074/article/robert-griffin-iii-leads-nfl-jersey-sales-in-may)

Good times for Skins fans right there. Back when RG3 hadn't yet been painted as a coach killer and a diva and an egotistical boy emperor. Sad. Just sad. I hope like heck that Manziel and all the other young draftees don't fall prey to the same kind of media a**holes that RG3 was victim to. Manziel's reputation isn't as good as RG3's once was, but he's still a media darling...for now.

Michael Sam second to Johnny Manziel in rookie jersey sales - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349661/article/fans-flock-to-order-michael-sam-jerseys)



That reminds me of this...



Robert Griffin III leads NFL jersey sales in May - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8296d074/article/robert-griffin-iii-leads-nfl-jersey-sales-in-may)



Good times for Skins fans right there. Back when RG3 hadn't yet been painted as a coach killer and a diva and an egotistical boy emperor. Sad. Just sad. I hope like heck that Manziel and all the other young draftees don't fall prey to the same kind of media a**holes that RG3 was victim to. Manziel's reputation isn't as good as RG3's once was, but he's still a media darling...for now.


Manziel is a media darling but I dont think its because of good reasons like RG-3 was in the beginning. I think Manziel has an uphill climb ahead of him as far as his reputation goes. As far as Griffs rep going South, Im pretty sure most people realize it was Shannys fault for the most part. I think griff still has a pretty good rep.

Griffin is just way way more mature than Manziel is. Manziel has Ryan Leaf written all over him.

Not true. I give them a slight edge right now. Certainly not a big one.

My thing is, and I've said it a lot, so I'm not breaking new ground. They got a lot of solid players, some of that do to wise trades which means they got a win in the trade.

We got our qb. Every year we had a question, and resources time and energy in scouting was wasted looking at qb's, questions of qb competitions, and divided fans and teammates as to who should be the starter, or who we should get as the starter, or why don't we have a starter. It was endless, and I am sure fatiguing for every player that wore the Skins uniform (at least offense, and probably defense). We know that Griffin has top level talent, and has a division title under his belt. I say that's a win for us. Especially considering the relatively barren qb drafts the last 2 years. I understand the argument could be made that we could have had Tannehill or Wilson, but we also could have had Weeden, Osweiler, Foles (who I am not a believer in), Manuel, Smith, Glennon ... AND with any one of those guys we would still be thinking is there someone better. My guess is regardless of who we took, it would turn into yet another Jason Campbell, or Patrick Ramsey saga that dragged us through another 3-5 years of guessing game qb play.
so it was a win for us.

Ultimately, why does there have to be a winner and loser, in this case both teams got the end result they wanted from the trade.
Win Win.

Manziel is a media darling but I dont think its because of good reasons like RG-3 was in the beginning. I think Manziel has an uphill climb ahead of him as far as his reputation goes. As far as Griffs rep going South, Im pretty sure most people realize it was Shannys fault for the most part. I think griff still has a pretty good rep.

Re: Manziel's rep. Probably true, but the fact remains that right now he's a popular figure in the media. You have to think that at some point there's a good chance that he'll have a falling out and be painted as a bad guy. A young superstar with the power of RG3 or Manziel could be quite vulnerable to that, considering today's social media scene. Just me being cynical, but I've wondered before if maybe some in the media made special care to praise Griffin up to a point where people got tired of reading about him, so that when they brought the diva/coachkiller hammer down on him, it would be that much more powerful and accepted that much sooner that RG3 was really a bad guy, not the good guy that they'd got so tired of reading about. Just an elaborate scheme to sell more papers and increase the views on their articles.

Re: Griffin's rep. Not true. Go to any NFL team message board, and begin reading. Pretty much unanimous that RG3 isn't the guy people thought he was coming out of college. And then there's also lots of people who think he went from a nice humble kid out of college, and changed into the "diva" he is now. SMH. It sucks, but it is what it is. Or more accurately in RG3's case, "It isn't what it is, it's what it can be made to look like."

Re: Manziel's rep. Probably true, but the fact remains that right now he's a popular figure in the media. You have to think that at some point there's a good chance that he'll have a falling out and be painted as a bad guy. A young superstar with the power of RG3 or Manziel could be quite vulnerable to that, considering today's social media scene. Just me being cynical, but I've wondered before if maybe some in the media made special care to praise Griffin up to a point where people got tired of reading about him, so that when they brought the diva/coachkiller hammer down on him, it would be that much more powerful and accepted that much sooner that RG3 was really a bad guy, not the good guy that they'd got so tired of reading about. Just an elaborate scheme to sell more papers and increase the views on their articles.



Re: Griffin's rep. Not true. Go to any NFL team message board, and begin reading. Pretty much unanimous that RG3 isn't the guy people thought he was coming out of college. And then there's also lots of people who think he went from a nice humble kid out of college, and changed into the "diva" he is now. SMH. It sucks, but it is what it is. Or more accurately in RG3's case, "It isn't what it is, it's what it can be made to look like."


If there was a poll taken rite now - nationwide - about who is more of a diva, problem child, troublemaker, etc etc etc - Manziel or Griff? Manziel would win in a landslide. He is already painted as a bad guy. Manziel has had on and off the field issues. Griff had a falling out of sorts with Shanahan. Said a thing or two after a game that got blown out of proportion.
Maybe his rep (Griffs) isnt as "golden boy" as it was his rookie year, but he is nothing like Manziel.

If there was a poll taken rite now - nationwide - about who is more of a diva, problem child, troublemaker, etc etc etc - Manziel or Griff? Manziel would win in a landslide. He is already painted as a bad guy. Manziel has had on and off the field issues. Griff had a falling out of sorts with Shanahan. Said a thing or two after a game that got blown out of proportion.
Maybe his rep (Griffs) isnt as "golden boy" as it was his rookie year, but he is nothing like Manziel.Nationwide? I wouldn't be so sure. Griffin's character was smeared pretty severely by the prior coaching staff on the way out. Not sure he ever emerges as the Golden Boy again.

The funny thing is, the nation doesn't know either RG3 or Johnny Manziel well enough to pass any sort of judgment on their character. That has not ever stopped them before.