DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday


Shadowbyte
03-30-2014, 02:23 PM
Where do you want me to start on the free agency list? Should I start with Deon Sanders and work down? This team isn't remotely close to contending. There are much greater needs than 1 WR. If we were stacked (likef 49ers/Seattle), I could see the move, as it is, this is just a band aid. Seems this team is never going to learn. (or its fans)

Redskins can't get stacked. The moment we sign a name everyone screams 2000. Vinny Cerratto, and the entire nine. How many troubled players have the Patriots signed. Hasn't slowed them down one bit. You need talent to win in the NFL not character, Jimmy Johnson's Dallas Cowboys proved that.

TheMalcolmConnection
03-30-2014, 02:26 PM
I can understand the concern but I can also dispel the notion that Desean will prevent us from resigning our big guns with a little cap analysis.

Let's look at 2015 where we currently have $107M committed to 42 players. The cap is estimated to come in around $140M, so there's currently $33M in space there.

So starting with $33M in space:

- figure on $10M in space for 8 more players, taking you up to 50
- figure on $7M in space for Desean, taking you to 51

Let's stop there. That leaves you $16M in space, with Desean, and with a full roster. So now think of the typical offseason moves they'll face next year before you begin making moves:

- Stephen Bowen has a cap hit of $8.0M. You could save $5.5M by releasing him. Um, bye.

- Chris Chester has a cap hit of $4.8M. You could save $4.0M by releasing him. Um, later bro.

- Logan Paulsen has a cap hit of $2.1M. Nice enough player, but cutting him saves you $1.7M. You could, at minimum, get him to easily drop that salary and bring him back.

Let's stop there. You just added $10M in space with those cuts. So we're back to $26M. Now what:

- Let's say we give Griffin the big extension and he eats $15M in space instead of his $6.7M he's scheduled to. So $8.3M additional space gone.

- Let's say we extend Trent for life. His cap number would actually come down from $13.7M to like $10M. So believe it or not that creates space in 2015.

- We lock up AlMo because he's a beast. $5M cap hit.

- We lock up Orakpo. $8M cap hit.

- We lock up Kerrigan. $6M cap hit.

Stop there. Those moves ate $23M in space. You now have $3M in space left.

So yes, you can keep everyone with Desean just fine. And I'm probably being very liberal with the cap hits on Almo, Orakpo, and Kerrigan. There are other moves that could be made in there as well to save cap space.

It's not a problem, Desean fits fine if we want him.

Thanks for laying that out. It just seems shocking we could fit all that in.

And to your point of not having to take a WR at #2, I REALLY would prefer that. That's about the most risky of all positions, and the last thing I want to do is something like that diminishes our chances of improving even if it's not a sexy pick like WR.

Counter-Tre
03-30-2014, 02:53 PM
All this Desean Jackson talk only reminds me of the fact that we could have had him already. He was on the board when we picked in 2008 and we went with Devin Thomas instead. LOL! Oh Vinny you scamp you!

44Deezel
03-30-2014, 02:56 PM
I had that thought yesterday as well. What if social media/today's 'journalists' existed when Cris Carter was an Eagle and cut because of his secret drug problem.

There have been less that stellar dudes playing in the NFL for a long time, people need to get over themselves a little bit.

How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.

spAtt
03-30-2014, 03:04 PM
How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.


Yea but they sure as hell help.

KI Skins Fan
03-30-2014, 03:06 PM
I trust this current Redskins management team. If they decide that they want to sign D-Jax, then I accept that it's what the Redskins should do.

I'd like to talk about the timing of the release of D-Jax and what that means to the Skins.

First, I think the Eagles did D-Jax wrong by releasing him as late as they did, after most teams had already made any expensive acquisitions that they were going to make. They probably took numerous potential landing spots for D-Jax off the table.

Second, that turned out to be a good thing for the Skins. Right now, it looks like Oakland might be the Skins primary competition for his services, although that could change quickly, as we all know.

He might like the idea of playing in the Bay area but he'd still be playing for the Raiders. Who would be throwing him the ball?

With the Redskins, he'd be in a passing offense with RGIII at QB, two other quality WR's, a budding young star at TE, and he'd get two or three shots a year to make Philly pay for cutting him. The Redskins have a lot to sell him.

We'll see what happens.

DynamiteRave
03-30-2014, 03:13 PM
There's a rumor that the Skins offense is a good fit for D Jax. Something he'd be able to fit into easily. I think it's really between us, the Raiders, the Jets and the Bills.

We really can't lose because even if we don't sign him, at least he's out of the NFC.

Paintrain
03-30-2014, 03:15 PM
How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.
Dude you don't even know what type of contract may be discussed. Some of y'all cats are so funny. Schneed10 already spelled out how his potential contract would have very little bearing on our overall cap future in terms of being 'hamstrung'.

Besides all of that, my point with Cris Carter is if his issues existed in today's media climate, fanbases would be at D-Jax times 100 with 'concern' about what he'd do to their locker rooms and his character.

Schneed10
03-30-2014, 03:18 PM
How many Super Bowls did the Vikings win with Carter? How many is Calvin Johnson up to? Fiztgerald? Andre Johnson? Insert elite WR name here.

Super Bowls aren't won by great Wide Receivers and teams that over-spend at that position, and Running Back for that matter, are going to have a difficult time building a championship caliber roster.

His contract is going to hamstring this franchise for years to come. With the same talent already on the roster, the Skins were a top 5 Offense just 2 years ago. The 3-13 record last year had nothing to do with not having a "viable" #2 Receiver.

The Offense can be plenty productive without him, but the team will suffer in the long run due to his cap hit.

You go ahead and name them all you want. And I'll name you:

- Jerry Rice
- Michael Irvin
- Plaxico Burress
- Torry Holt & Isaac Bruce
- Art Monk, Gary Clark & Ricky Sanders
- Lynn Swann

Garcon, Jackson and Roberts. Posse II?

EARTHQUAKE2689
03-30-2014, 03:23 PM
You go ahead and name them all you want. And I'll name you:

- Jerry Rice
- Michael Irvin
- Plaxico Burress
- Torry Holt & Isaac Bruce
- Art Monk, Gary Clark & Ricky Sanders
- Lynn Swann

Garcon, Jackson and Roberts. Posse II?

I know it has been said but with the speed of Jackson and the speed of Robinson, the middle opens up so much for Reed, and Morris as well because with Jackson out there you CAN'T put 8 in the box unless you are Seattle.

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