JoeRedskin
03-11-2014, 02:33 PM
The implication is that there is a performance gap between how they're treating him and how he's playing.
If Riley improves his level of play and is a quality starter for them, that's when he becomes a success for the player development arm of the team. If all you care about his the contract, you can put your checkmark up now. But the playing strong, consistent football still has to be proven.
... and this is where we apparently disagree. His level of play got him the contract he would have received on the open market. In my opinion, he has shown himself already to be a quality starter and his level of pay reflects that and not a "performance gap". If he continues his current level or improves, the Skins come out ahead by any measure - both in player development and cap management.
Lotus
03-11-2014, 02:39 PM
The losers tax is 3/13 for a guy who, ideally, wouldn't be making 3/13.
I use the word ideally because in reality, the Redskins took this as far as they could before getting the deal done, and then paid market value.
If we paid market value, then by definition there is no "tax."
C'mon GTripp.
JoeRedskin
03-11-2014, 02:43 PM
^^ ... waiting for the "if you're paying market value you are actually overpaying" argument.
GTripp0012
03-11-2014, 02:53 PM
If we paid market value, then by definition there is no "tax."
C'mon GTripp.No, you're correct on this one.
The tax in this case isn't the money, it's the playing time that comes with the contract.
I was trying to be clear that I believed (and Joe Redskin believes, and you believe, and CRedskinsRule believes) that he would have gotten something similar on the market...but then he's just a free agent overpay instead of a "signing your own guy so now we're doing it right."
The thing is that his market value is affected by the fact that he's started for us the last two years, but he's had to start for us because we've had no one else. I am saying that on a lot of teams (and I am not disputing the 8-10 teams JR threw out) he wouldn't start and would be playing all the special teams because that's the best use of his abilities.
And I'm not going to say this again: I'm not saying paying market for a LB is a bad thing, even if the market's a little high on the player. I'm comfortable with it. It's just...a move. It's market value for a player. Happy for Perry. Not against this from the Redskins perspective. It sure seems like they're having to go above and beyond on a lot of these deals. Which is fine, too.
FA market value is almost always > the value of the player. Just a reality.
GTripp0012
03-11-2014, 02:54 PM
^^ ... waiting for the "if you're paying market value you are actually overpaying" argument.Market value is overpaying for performance. The market is inefficient. 32 teams know this.
Mechanix544
03-11-2014, 03:22 PM
Bruce Allen is the next person to be featured on the show "Extreme Couponers".
Wonderful signing at a wonderful price for the team. Loving how good he is at negotiating numbers.
SirLK26
03-11-2014, 04:14 PM
Very happy we got Riley resigned, especially at a reasonable deal. Replacing both ILBs in one offseason would have been terrible.
Now, I'm hoping we sign a FA ILB, as well as drafting one in the 3rd or 4th round. Too bad Karlos Dansby is off the market...
That Guy
03-11-2014, 04:37 PM
Very happy we got Riley resigned, especially at a reasonable deal. Replacing both ILBs in one offseason would have been terrible.
Now, I'm hoping we sign a FA ILB, as well as drafting one in the 3rd or 4th round. Too bad Karlos Dansby is off the market...
the ILB market isn't good, dansby was the best bet. I imagine we'll draft one, going S/OG/ILB in some order would make sense there.
REDSKINS4ever
03-11-2014, 09:01 PM
Riley is taking over Fletcher's spot.....it'll be interesting to see who will tAke over Riley's former spot......
Bangee7
03-11-2014, 10:36 PM
I like it. Riley definitely stepped up last year...no reason to not expect it to continue.
Reasonable price to pay an up and comer, not mention keeping stability.