Ukraine mega thread

I dont want a shooting war with anybody

Well I doubt they will leave if we ask nicely.

And since they are the third largest energy producer in the world any sanctions wont do bupkiss.

So we are left with diplomacy..........

I remember many of these same people talking about how we were helping the people in Iraq by "liberating" them and giving them freedom. Guess freedom and liberating isn't so noble in Ukraine.

I remember many of these same people talking about how we were helping the people in Iraq by "liberating" them and giving them freedom. Guess freedom and liberating isn't so noble in Ukraine.

Nice dig.....but your comparison sucks.
Going up against Saddams military vs Putins is vastly different.
Unless you're interested in seeing 10's of thousands of Americans die in the Ukraine. Not to mention the nukes.
I'm pretty sure the aggressor has nukes this time.

I remember many of these same people talking about how we were helping the people in Iraq by "liberating" them and giving them freedom. Guess freedom and liberating isn't so noble in Ukraine.

Its wierd isnt it? A treaty is a commitment to the international community, not just the nation. We told the Ukranians we, along with the UK and (maybe others, unsure) we will defend them. But yet we let a criminal (ukraine president) escape to Russia, who then invades the Ukraine because a criminal asked them.

Nice dig.....but your comparison sucks.
Going up against Saddams military vs Putins is vastly different.
Unless you're interested in seeing 10's of thousands of Americans die in the Ukraine. Not to mention the nukes.
I'm pretty sure the aggressor has nukes this time.


Oh, so we only bully those with less weaponry? I guess that's how we rate people's scale of "freedom".


Even if we did go to war with Russia, they wouldn't use nukes. I don't think any country will ever use them after seeing the aftermath of our 2 atomic bombs.

Its wierd isnt it? A treaty is a commitment to the international community, not just the nation. We told the Ukranians we, along with the UK and (maybe others, unsure) we will defend them. But yet we let a criminal (ukraine president) escape to Russia, who then invades the Ukraine because a criminal asked them.

Thats amusing.
And absurd.

the 1993 treaty does bind us but i think at this stage it requires us to hold mandatory meetings to eval the situation. i read that in an article a few days ago so dont hold me 100% to that.

nc skins - when you say "same people" do you mean talking political pundits like mccain or warpathers? i think politicians and joe public learned a lot about military intervention with Iraq. i know now that if there is any other way to achieve the goal without military intervention, it should be explored and given ample time to play out. boots on the ground is the last option imo.

Thats amusing.
And absurd.

I admit, that was a little much Ivan Walton

Putin is becoming a big pain but I cant help but think that all our proxy wars with former USSR nations that border current Russia (attempting nato missile defense system in Poland and Turkey, steering Ukraine pro EU/West, totally destabilizing Iraq, sanctioning Iran) is the reason.

We have effed with Russia repeatedly with countries right at their door step and Putin is right to say the US sits across the pond and treats other countries like lab rats in political experiments.

I despise Putin but we are serious international jerks.

I also think Putin was very dumb to act so unilaterally and aggressively and the US and EU can really capitalize on this opportunity. No one is standing with Russia on this.

Russian economy has lost over 75 billion on Monday alone.

USA can now justify some of their clandestine political interference.None of our actions that you describe are "proxy wars" by us.

Please don't blame any of what Putin is doing to Ukraine on us. He did the same thing to Georgia: "Russify" a region over time, then split that territory off into a client state friendly to Russia.

We aren't treating other countries as lab experiments. A better analogy would be that Putin is playing Go with/on Eastern Europe.

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