Ukraine mega thread

lol
They've always been helpful like that.......

Amazing how aggressive Russian has been...equally amazing is our weak response allowing them to do whatever to whomever they want

Found it interesting Russia has announced they will be stepping up and taking in Syrian refugees and ate constructing camps and are sending humanitarian aid to parts of Syria. vSo basically they are beating us to the punch in every aspect of the Syrian crisis.

10 maps that explain Russia's strategy - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/10-maps-that-explain-russias-strategy-2016-1)

I found this article very interesting. It lays out in very clear terms the role that Ukraine/Russian geography plays and the dynamics of Russian geography. In particular was one pair of maps that showed the boundary of the German advance in 1942:
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/56ab8bcf58c323ab078b6409-1200/germany-has.jpg

vs the current map if Ukraine is considered to be unfriendly to Russia:

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/56ab8988c08a80e01b8bd873-1200/russia-is-almost-landlocked.jpg

Basically you could see a Russian mindset that they have lost nearly as much over the last 20 years as Germany took in 1942.

Bump ... lots of saber rattling lately but who knows what Putin really intends to do.

This feels like it could be an actual traditional war. Helmet on helmet .. no proxy taliban iraq isis yemen stuff. Syria was pretty close but it was a proxy civil war in my estimate.

One thing is for sure, if it does happen, the political talking points on the left and right in this country will be predictable trench tribal warfare.

Unfortunately the Ukraine is in a worse tactical/strategic position than they were in 2014 the last time the Russians made a major move against them (I'm not counting the Donbass situation at that level). Their fleet for all intents was wiped out in 2014 as most of their units were interned in Crimea. If the Russians want to take the whole shebang I think they could.

Unfortunately the Ukraine is in a worse tactical/strategic position than they were in 2014 the last time the Russians made a major move against them (I'm not counting the Donbass situation at that level). Their fleet for all intents was wiped out in 2014 as most of their units were interned in Crimea. If the Russians want to take the whole shebang I think they could.

The situation is interesting. Im not going to pretend to know the nuances of the past 30 years of Ukraine-Russia divorce but it seems Putin can take this as far as he wants. Parts of eastern Ukraine he could probably take in a week with his green men. Id guess he has enough clandestine forces there now to do a Crimea. Eastern Ukraine is mostly pro Russia it seems.

I just cant imagine western Ukraine or Kyiv going quietly. They are pro west and theres no way Russia will be able to get away with all the civilian deaths in Ukraine like they did in Syria. Cyber attacks or not, video will get out of crimes against humanity.

Id guess Putin takes parts of eastern Ukraine, solidifies lines and then tries to turn down the temperature. He would have achieved his goal of pouring cold water on the hopes of the people of Ukraine or Georgia ever becoming a NATO member. Perhaps they stop electing pro Nato presidents bc these campaign promises of "we will join NATO" are starting to ring hollow. Thye mght be forced to accept a more pro russian stance allowing Russia to offer them the carrot and not the stick.

Going into western Ukraine or Kyiv ... the snake might choke itself.


https://www.vox.com/22917719/russia-ukraine-invasion-border-crisis-nato-explained

^^^ a good basic info, how-did-we-get-here article.

The situation is interesting. Im not going to pretend to know the nuances of the past 30 years of Ukraine-Russia divorce but it seems Putin can take this as far as he wants. Parts of eastern Ukraine he could probably take in a week with his green men. Id guess he has enough clandestine forces there now to do a Crimea. Eastern Ukraine is mostly pro Russia it seems.

I just cant imagine western Ukraine or Kyiv going quietly. They are pro west and theres no way Russia will be able to get away with all the civilian deaths in Ukraine like they did in Syria. Cyber attacks or not, video will get out of crimes against humanity.

Id guess Putin takes parts of eastern Ukraine, solidifies lines and then tries to turn down the temperature. He would have achieved his goal of pouring cold water on the hopes of the people of Ukraine or Georgia ever becoming a NATO member. Perhaps they stop electing pro Nato presidents bc these campaign promises of "we will join NATO" are starting to ring hollow. Thye mght be forced to accept a more pro russian stance allowing Russia to offer them the carrot and not the stick.

Going into western Ukraine or Kyiv ... the snake might choke itself.


https://www.vox.com/22917719/russia-ukraine-invasion-border-crisis-nato-explained

^^^ a good basic info, how-did-we-get-here article.

This is a dangerous game of chicken being played.

Unfortunately the Ukraine is in a worse tactical/strategic position than they were in 2014 the last time the Russians made a major move against them (I'm not counting the Donbass situation at that level). Their fleet for all intents was wiped out in 2014 as most of their units were interned in Crimea. If the Russians want to take the whole shebang I think they could.

Am I interpreting this correctly you dislike Ukraine, or am I reading into it?

Does Ukraine want to join NATO or does NATO want Ukraine as a member? I think is kinda a sticking issue which hasn’t been answered.

Does Ukraine want to join NATO or does NATO want Ukraine as a member? I think is kinda a sticking issue which hasn’t been answered.

Ya think??? JHC ,not the point chico,whatever it's Ukraines choice , not Putins.