The Super Bowl Thread

8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=WilsRu00)


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.

This is an interesting article about the 2012 QB draft. Wilson"s projections blow every QB in that draft away but because of changes in the program he played in they didnt really trust the calculation. It appears that the calculation wasnt too far off.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012)

8 4th Quarter comebacks, 10 game winning drives

Russell Wilson's Career 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=WilsRu00)


2 years in the league, Superbowl winning QB

I actually think he would be considered a much better QB if not over shadowed by such a great defense.

Of those 8 4th quarter comebacks, in 2 of those games he had 0 TD passes for the game (one of which he had 123 total passing yards with an int and a completion % under 50%), and in 1, he threw an int in the end zone that was called a TD by replacement refs.

Take away that defense, and I dont believe that he is a SB winning QB.

10-20, more like 35 years or so. It was the 1978 season where they made the head slap illegal. I remember the specific time because I was playing High School ball and most those type rules followed the pros. They also changed the way they called holding and illegal use of hands. 1977 and before a defender could hit a blocker in the head while the blocker had to keep his hands close to his jersey. Most O-lineman were coached to grab their own jersey while blocking to prevent being flagged. Also starting in 1978 you were only allowed to contact a receiver once, but still you could knock him down anywhere on the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air.

Do to these evolving rule changes favoring the offense you can only compare quarterbacks against their peers that played in the exact same time period. Quarterbacks were not protected if they stayed in the pocket back when Sonny Jurgensen played, roughing the passer was rarely called and you could hit them in the head, clothesline them and horse collar them. A 37 year old immobile Peyton Manning would have been watching the Super Bowl from a hospital bed or a wheelchair if the 2013 season was played under rules of the "dead ball" era. He probably would not have lasted 4 games.

Today's young fans and media don't get it. They throw around "greatest of all time" and they do not understand how much the rule changes favored today's QB's and receivers. It is not the same game. Not even close.

This is an interesting article about the 2012 QB draft. Wilson"s projections blow every QB in that draft away but because of changes in the program he played in they didnt really trust the calculation. It appears that the calculation wasnt too far off.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Lewin Career Forecast 2012 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2012/lewin-career-forecast-2012)

Nice link. I like the 3rd to last comment(145) in reference to the last sentence of the Wilson blurp: "moot indeed....moot indeed."

Today's young fans and media don't get it. They throw around "greatest of all time" and they do not understand how much the rule changes favored today's QB's and receivers. It is not the same game. Not even close.

I don't understand why the older guys in the media especially ex-players don't explain how the changes effected the game. Every other Redskin game I am working in my shop listening to the radio broadcast that Sonny Jurgensen is on. The only reference he makes to his playing days is when Griffin rips off a nice run he says "Just like I use to" (Sarcastically of course).

Believe it or not on the 49er Webzone where I came from the young guys actually think the QBs of days gone by were terrible and that "modern science" and evolution (Laughable, noticeable evolution in 40 years?) are the reason that 10 guys a year pass for more than 4,000 yards.

I don't understand why the older guys in the media especially ex-players don't explain how the changes effected the game. Every other Redskin game I am working in my shop listening to the radio broadcast that Sonny Jurgensen is on. The only reference he makes to his playing days is when Griffin rips off a nice run he says "Just like I use to" (Sarcastically of course).

Believe it or not on the 49er Webzone where I came from the young guys actually think the QBs of days gone by were terrible and that "modern science" and evolution (Laughable, noticeable evolution in 40 years?) are the reason that 10 guys a year pass for more than 4,000 yards.

You hit a home run with that statement. I could not agree more.

Sour grapes.

Carroll is heavily involved in personnel. He hired the GM there and has total control.


Total sour grapes, but i didnt like him before they won last nite. I didnt like him at usc.

I don't get how anyone can't like Pete Carroll. The guy is 62 years old, has the energy of a 30 year old, he sets the tone with competition, let's his players be themselves and obviously can coach. Is there anyone else who's won a national championship and a Super Bowl?


Captain Kangaroo was old and full of energy too and i didnt like him either.
Seriously Its nothing personal, obviously i dont know the guy - but something about him has always just rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't get how anyone can't like Pete Carroll. The guy is 62 years old, has the energy of a 30 year old, he sets the tone with competition, let's his players be themselves and obviously can coach. Is there anyone else who's won a national championship and a Super Bowl?

Didn't Jimmy Johnson?

Didn't Jimmy Johnson?

Don't forget Barry Switzer too. Although given the team we root for, it's easy to see why most people here would forget.