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donofriose
02-22-2014, 11:46 PM
They should limit the use of the franchise tag on a player. Sucks for the players.

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Owners create any policy to screw the players, franchise tag, salary cap, they are all there just to make sure owners keep the revenue.

CRedskinsRule
02-23-2014, 12:24 AM
Owners create any policy to screw the players, franchise tag, salary cap, they are all there just to make sure owners keep the revenue.

Pretty sure the players union signed off on every CBA where a franchise tag was available.

Ruhskins. I think a player can only be franchised 2 times but not positive about that. What type of limit are you thinking of in your post?

edit changed CBS to CBA

donofriose
02-23-2014, 10:43 AM
Pretty sure the players union signed off on every CBS where a franchise tag was available.

Ruhskins. I think a player can only be franchised 2 times but not positive about that. What type of limit are you thinking of in your post?

Just because they signed it, doesn't mean players wanted it or didn't get screwed. The NFL, more than any other league, bullies its players and its union into taking less money because they know lesser players will need a deal. Just like the concussion settlement. The NFL even found a way to make contracts not guaranteed. It is just smart business in the end on the NFL owner's part. It is why Roger gets paid so much.

CRedskinsRule
02-23-2014, 11:25 AM
Just because they signed it, doesn't mean players wanted it or didn't get screwed. The NFL, more than any other league, bullies its players and its union into taking less money because they know lesser players will need a deal. Just like the concussion settlement. The NFL even found a way to make contracts not guaranteed. It is just smart business in the end on the NFL owner's part. It is why Roger gets paid so much.

Well yes, signing it does basically mean that they wanted to take the deal that their leadership presented to them, which includes the franchise tag designation. And they have kept it through several CBAs now. Truthfully, most players probably don't care about the franchise tag, given that out of about 2000 players a year, it at most affects 32.

I do think the players got screwed this last go around, but I mostly blame an NFLPA leadership that was intent on breaking the system all together through bad faith and court room tactics, rather than working together, so when they couldn't break it they had to concede.

FRPLG
02-23-2014, 12:15 PM
Just because they signed it, doesn't mean players wanted it or didn't get screwed. The NFL, more than any other league, bullies its players and its union into taking less money because they know lesser players will need a deal. Just like the concussion settlement. The NFL even found a way to make contracts not guaranteed. It is just smart business in the end on the NFL owner's part. It is why Roger gets paid so much.
Wow...that's exactly what it means.

Defensewins
02-24-2014, 12:27 AM
I have grown to hate the current system. The salary cap has diluted the play of the top teams in the nfl. There are less super teams. Plus we now have more weak teams.
Before salary cap we had Sf, NYG, Wash, Bears, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Dolphins, etc. we're all strong teams all at the same time. And these teams were deep, with plenty of talent on the bench.
Today we have two super teams, a handful of good teams and the rest struggle to field a complete lineup. I have never seen so many bad teams as we have today.

Defensewins
02-24-2014, 12:28 AM
I have grown to hate the current system. The salary cap has diluted the play of the top teams in the nfl. There are less super teams. Plus we now have more weak teams.
Before salary cap we had Sf, NYG, Wash, Bears, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Dolphins, etc. we're all strong teams all at the same time. And these teams were deep, with plenty of talent on the bench.
Today we have two super teams, a handful of good teams and the rest struggle to field a complete lineup. I have never seen so many bad teams as we have today. For example the entire NFC east sucks. Not one strong team.

kct1975
02-24-2014, 01:33 AM
I have grown to hate the current system. The salary cap has diluted the play of the top teams in the nfl. There are less super teams. Plus we now have more weak teams.
Before salary cap we had Sf, NYG, Wash, Bears, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Dolphins, etc. we're all strong teams all at the same time. And these teams were deep, with plenty of talent on the bench.
Today we have two super teams, a handful of good teams and the rest struggle to field a complete lineup. I have never seen so many bad teams as we have today. For example the entire NFC east sucks. Not one strong team.

I hate to say, but I have to agree!

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HailGreen28
02-24-2014, 07:25 AM
I have grown to hate the current system. The salary cap has diluted the play of the top teams in the nfl. There are less super teams. Plus we now have more weak teams.
Before salary cap we had Sf, NYG, Wash, Bears, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Dolphins, etc. we're all strong teams all at the same time. And these teams were deep, with plenty of talent on the bench.
Today we have two super teams, a handful of good teams and the rest struggle to field a complete lineup. I have never seen so many bad teams as we have today.I disagree. It was fun back in the 80's when the NFCE and San Fran, teams with more money, dominated. But I don't think things have changed much despite the cap. Poorly managed teams (us, Raiders, Bucs, etc.) still suck. And well managed teams (Pats, Steelers, Niners, etc.) still do well.

donofriose
02-24-2014, 08:18 AM
You still have the same teams year after year in Super Bowls. The AFC is a perfect example. 11 out of the past 13 superbowls have been represented by the same three quarterbacks.

Only in baseball, where there is no salary cap, does a team go from worst to first.

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