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Curious about who deserves credit for building the teams that have been good in recent years (like Newsome/Ravens and Belichick/Patriots. Who's responsible for the Niners and Seahawks? Does Elway pick personnel for the Broncos?

Curious about who deserves credit for building the teams that have been good in recent years (like Newsome/Ravens and Belichick/Patriots. Who's responsible for the Niners and Seahawks? Does Elway pick personnel for the Broncos?

Carroll is in control of everything in Seattle, although Schneider has a huge influence, but in the end its Carroll's decision. Baalke has been with San Fran for a while and I believe controls a lot of player decisions.

So, Cousins and our 2nd for Gordon? Do you pull the trigger? For Hayden?

That's a tough one. The pick makes it a hard sell for me because Josh Gordon already has 2 strikes for failed drug tests. I would do it if it were a third. However i would jump all over the deal of Cousins and our second to get Joe Haden. Reminds me a lot of the Champ bailey deal but instead it would be working in our favor. Getting a shutdown corner would do wonders for our secondary.

Carroll is in control of everything in Seattle, although Schneider has a huge influence, but in the end its Carroll's decision. Baalke has been with San Fran for a while and I believe controls a lot of player decisions.Thanks!

So, Cousins and our 2nd for Gordon? Do you pull the trigger? For Hayden?Gordon, yes (but Cleveland wouldn't do that). Haden, reluctantly no. Good player, but he's up for extension in a year.

Gordon, yes (but Cleveland wouldn't do that). Haden, reluctantly no. Good player, but he's up for extension in a year.
Not sure why an extension would matter. I look at Talib, basically a one year add for the Patriots who paid a pretty good dividend. If we got Haden in a reasonable trade that could be a win for us. Of course those type trades rarely result in a win for the Skins :(

Eli, Giants ran fake ‘game-worn’ gear scam: lawsuit (http://nypost.com/2014/01/30/eli-and-giants-created-fake-memorabilia-suit/)
By Kaja Whitehouse January 30, 2014 | 4:12am, nypost.com

"Quarterback Eli Manning and New York Giants brass created bogus “game-worn” football gear to pass off as the real deal — and one of the forgeries is sitting in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, an explosive new lawsuit claims."
(snip)
"The suit names Manning, the Giants, Inc., CEO John Mara, team lawyer William Heller, CFO Christine Procops, Wagner, the Skiba brothers and dry cleaner Barone as defendants."

Would you buy a used jersey from John Mara?
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/mara3.jpg?w=300


edit: Fixed link, same as NCSkins' below.

Fred Smoot. :laughing-


https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/the-fred-smoot-love-boat-part-2/description

Eli, Giants ran fake ‘game-worn’ gear scam: lawsuit
By Kaja Whitehouse January 30, 2014 | 4:12am, nypost.com

"Quarterback Eli Manning and New York Giants brass created bogus “game-worn” football gear to pass off as the real deal — and one of the forgeries is sitting in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, an explosive new lawsuit claims."
(snip)
"The suit names Manning, the Giants, Inc., CEO John Mara, team lawyer William Heller, CFO Christine Procops, Wagner, the Skiba brothers and dry cleaner Barone as defendants."

Would you buy a used jersey from John Mara?
http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/mara3.jpg?w=300

Since his link isn't working, I'll post one that is.

Eli, Giants ran fake ‘game-worn’ gear scam: lawsuit | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2014/01/30/eli-and-giants-created-fake-memorabilia-suit/)

If there is a football god this will be true. I don't care about manning but it sounds like a systemic issue with the org. They need their ass knocked down a few pegs. I can only dream of criminal charges.