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So, Cousins and our 2nd for Gordon? Do you pull the trigger? For Hayden?

I do not think the Browns are going to be trading some of their best players anytime soon.

So, Cousins and our 2nd for Gordon? Do you pull the trigger? For Hayden?

I would trade nearly any player(s) but not any of our picks.

No way do we trade Helu.
Depth has been a big issue for this team and RB is one of the only solid spots.

You can find a Running Back in the later rounds or even an undrafted free agent and still get the same production Helu has given Washington the past three seasons.

You can find a Running Back in the later rounds or even an undrafted free agent and still get the same production Helu has given Washington the past three seasons.

I'm going to disagree with you. You won't find many late-round or undrafted backs who can run for 640 yards with an average of 4.2 YPC in their rookie year. And it's not fair to look at Helu's career stats and base your opinion off them, as he was injured in 2012, and backed up one of the top RBs in the NFL last year. I'm sure Helu would've started in 2012 if it hadn't been for two things: his injury, and Morris taking advantage of his opportunity like he did. Helu is a solid 3rd-down back and excellent depth and, like I said earlier, will take on a bigger, more valuable role this year.

I'm going to disagree with you. You won't find many late-round or undrafted backs who can run for 640 yards with an average of 4.2 YPC in their rookie year. And it's not fair to look at Helu's career stats and base your opinion off them, as he was injured in 2012, and backed up one of the top RBs in the NFL last year. I'm sure Helu would've started in 2012 if it hadn't been for two things: his injury, and Morris taking advantage of his opportunity like he did. Helu is a solid 3rd-down back and excellent depth and, like I said earlier, will take on a bigger, more valuable role this year.

Wouldn't the top RB he backed up last year be a rookie taken late in the draft. Its sorta contradicts your point.

Wouldn't the top RB he backed up last year be a rookie taken late in the draft. Its sorta contradicts your point.

Alfred Morris was a rare find. If we were to trade Helu away and try to draft a RB late to replace him, the chances of finding another Morris would be very, very slim.

I'm going to disagree with you. You won't find many late-round or undrafted backs who can run for 640 yards with an average of 4.2 YPC in their rookie year. And it's not fair to look at Helu's career stats and base your opinion off them, as he was injured in 2012, and backed up one of the top RBs in the NFL last year. I'm sure Helu would've started in 2012 if it hadn't been for two things: his injury, and Morris taking advantage of his opportunity like he did. Helu is a solid 3rd-down back and excellent depth and, like I said earlier, will take on a bigger, more valuable role this year.

Well I am guessing you want to leave Alfred and Terrell out of the conversation because of Shanny's influence, but I tend to think if Gore, Morris, Foster, Charles, etc. can be productive 3rd rd or later draft picks we could find someone to fill Helu's shoes.

I just don't see him as one of those core untouchables like Morris, Griffin, TW, Garcon would be on offense.

I'm going to disagree with you. You won't find many late-round or undrafted backs who can run for 640 yards with an average of 4.2 YPC in their rookie year. And it's not fair to look at Helu's career stats and base your opinion off them, as he was injured in 2012, and backed up one of the top RBs in the NFL last year. I'm sure Helu would've started in 2012 if it hadn't been for two things: his injury, and Morris taking advantage of his opportunity like he did. Helu is a solid 3rd-down back and excellent depth and, like I said earlier, will take on a bigger, more valuable role this year.

There are plenty of RBs that are late round picks that produce. Zac Stacy and Andre Ellington come to mind right now, and they were both picked in the 5th round or later.

Helu simply hasn't proven enough to me to make me think he is untouchable. I look at what he has produced... it isn't much.