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Well, how about Helu/Cousins for that 1st rounder? Would we be giving up to much?

I doubt it happens, but if KS does go to the browns, you could expect he would like to bring in someone he has worked with...

Sexy Rexy.

Sexy Rexy.

I fear that Wrecks is done since his patrons have been dethroned. Maybe he can follow Kyle to Cleveland as a free agent. But it is likely that the dragon will never again be unleashed.

Kyle Shanahan is interviewing with the Browns.

Dream job! No QB. No RBs. Losing their best offensive lineman to FA.

Josh Gordon is the only positive with that gig.


Good luck, Kyle, you earned it.

I disagree. The Browns are not in bad shape. They can get a QB in the draft. Also Hoyer played pretty well while he was on the field.

Well, how about Helu/Cousins for that 1st rounder? Would we be giving up to much?

I doubt it happens, but if KS does go to the browns, you could expect he would like to bring in someone he has worked with...

So you want to trade away quality depth for a unproven college player? I'd make that deal if it was Joe Hayden for those two. Or Josh Gordon. Then we have a deal.

So you want to trade away quality depth for a unproven college player? I'd make that deal if it was Joe Hayden for those two. Or Josh Gordon. Then we have a deal.

It would be foolish to not trade Cousins/Helu for a first round pick. That deal won't happen because other teams aren't that dumb.

Well, how about Helu/Cousins for that 1st rounder? Would we be giving up to much?

I doubt it happens, but if KS does go to the browns, you could expect he would like to bring in someone he has worked with...

We need to hold onto Helu, he was very effective for us last season and we've been very fortunate with Morris' health in these two years with as hard as we've worked him.

It would be foolish to not trade Cousins/Helu for a first round pick. That deal won't happen because other teams aren't that dumb.This times 100. A second rounder, maybe (I wouldn't this offseason). But a first rounder you roll the dice at least 50/50 odds on getting a good starter, instead of a backup.

We need to hold onto Helu, he was very effective for us last season and we've been very fortunate with Morris' health in these two years with as hard as we've worked him.

I agree with this. Morris came to the pros with lots of carries in college, and with his hard-nose playing style, there's no telling how long he'll run at an elite level. And I think Gruden will use Helu more than Shanahan did, making him more valuable.

I've liked Helu since we drafted him. But his production is not difficult to replace. In the bigger scheme of things he's just-a-guy. If the Browns or another team will offer a sweet deal, we should be willing to swap.

So you want to trade away quality depth for a unproven college player? I'd make that deal if it was Joe Hayden for those two. Or Josh Gordon. Then we have a deal.

The idea of Josh Gordon lining up on the opposite side of Pierre Garçon makes me drool. Those two together would make for a top 5 WR duo in the league. I can't see the browns getting rid of one of the few bright spots on their offense though. One can dream though, right?