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I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"

It really amazes me people are hung up on this stuff. Look around at every coaching staff and front office and tell me this isn't par for the course. Look at the staff that just left here FFS. Shanny had "his guys" all over the place including his son. Gibbs 2.0 also included a bunch of his former coaches.

Brees
Rivers
Palmer
M. Ryan



Carson Palmer threw for 4200 yards and ran for 3 last year. :D

Matthew Stafford doesn't have to run, just throw to Calvin.

Bradford would get hurt if he tried to run.

Eli Manning ran for 36 yards last year. Romo, despite always running for his life all year, only managed 38 rushing yards total...he runs backwards most of the time.

Can we count Schaub and Gabbert as starting QBs any more? They do not run.


There are still more statues playing QB than we thought.

He said 3-4 RO plays a game. Nothing crazy. Put away the jump to conclusions mat.


Well his quote that trying to make RGIII a pocket passer is foolish doesn't square with what RGIII has in mind. This is what I'm referring to, not that we'll be running the RO often. Look, I've been hearing tweets from LL/httr24-7 even from 2012 about how Robert wanted to be known as a pocket passer and he wasn't down with using him as a runner. Something doesn't give here between the quote and RGIII wishes.

It really amazes me people are hung up on this stuff. Look around at every coaching staff and front office and tell me this isn't par for the course. Look at the staff that just left here FFS. Shanny had "his guys" all over the place including his son. Gibbs 2.0 also included a bunch of his former coaches.

Honestly, I'm shocked we didn't have this times a thousand when Gibbs was hired considering how long both he AND his assistants had been out of the game.

I expect pointless threads. It's just hearing this over and over again is getting old:

"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is Zorn 2.0!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden is hiring people he knows!"
"Waaaaaaaaaa! Bruce Allen is hiring everyone from Tampa!"
"Waaaaaaaaa! Jay Gruden just said something that must mean everything is going to hell!"



You forgot:

"Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Redskins fans are voicing their displeasure again!"


Nothing worse than bitching about the bitchers. :silly:

For the record. I like Jay Gruden and I don't mind he's hiring people he knows. My only qualm here is two things. (maybe three)

1) Jim Haslett still DC
2) Bringing in Doug Williams. Nothing about his career says otherwise.
3) Bruce Allen making personnel decisions. (this is if he overrides our personnel guys)

Well his quote that trying to make RGIII a pocket passer is foolish doesn't square with what RGIII has in mind. This is what I'm referring to, not that we'll be running the RO often. Look, I've been hearing tweets from LL/httr24-7 even from 2012 about how Robert wanted to be known as a pocket passer and he wasn't down with using him as a runner. Something doesn't give here between the quote and RGIII wishes.

I don't think Griffin is against running. He scrambles enough on his own to tell you how he really feels about running. I think the plan in year 1 was to ease up on the read option as the season went on and develop him more in the pocket, but because of the crazy success they had that plan went out the window.

You did see Gruden's other quotes right?

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer," Gruden said. "Obviously he can do the rollouts and the naked bootlegs and all that. But let's see what he can do from the pocket, and if he can run from there, that's when he'll really get a lot of yards."

"There comes a point in a season, in a game, when you have to do some dropback passing," he said. "You are going to have third-and-12 where you can run read option or a bubble screen. If you are down two touchdowns late in the third quarter, you have to be able to be a dropback passing team. You have to have that part established. So we really want to focus on that, teach him some concepts we like and have at it."

"It's a long season," Gruden said. "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy. You don't want to put him at risk too much. But that's who he is. It's what he is as a quarterback. He's very effective in that regard."

"I don't anticipate running a lot of read option," he said. "I think if you use it three or four times a game, you'll have more success than if you try to feature your whole offense around it. It's not just tough on the quarterback taking hits, it's tough on the tackles with their aiming points, where are they going. It's something you have to practice a lot to get very good at."

"From a talent standpoint as far as throwing the ball I don't see a lot of weaknesses," Gruden said. "It's just that he hasn't been asked to do a lot of different things as far as the drop-back passing game is concerned. I don't know if he is going to have any limitations. He might not have any. We'll wait and see."

You forgot:

"Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Redskins fans are voicing their displeasure again!"


Nothing worse than bitching about the bitchers. :silly:

For the record. I like Jay Gruden and I don't mind he's hiring people he knows. My only qualm here is two things. (maybe three)

1) Jim Haslett still DC
2) Bringing in Doug Williams. Nothing about his career says otherwise.
3) Bruce Allen making personnel decisions. (this is if he overrides our personnel guys)
6 years in the Bucs front office doesn't 'say otherwise'? Director of Pro Scouting doesn't 'say otherwise'?

I don't think Griffin is against running. He scrambles enough on his own to tell you how he really feels about running. I think the plan in year 1 was to ease up on the read option as the season went on and develop him more in the pocket, but because of the crazy success they had that plan went out the window.

You did see Gruden's other quotes right?

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer," Gruden said. "Obviously he can do the rollouts and the naked bootlegs and all that. But let's see what he can do from the pocket, and if he can run from there, that's when he'll really get a lot of yards."

"There comes a point in a season, in a game, when you have to do some dropback passing," he said. "You are going to have third-and-12 where you can run read option or a bubble screen. If you are down two touchdowns late in the third quarter, you have to be able to be a dropback passing team. You have to have that part established. So we really want to focus on that, teach him some concepts we like and have at it."

"It's a long season," Gruden said. "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy. You don't want to put him at risk too much. But that's who he is. It's what he is as a quarterback. He's very effective in that regard."

"I don't anticipate running a lot of read option," he said. "I think if you use it three or four times a game, you'll have more success than if you try to feature your whole offense around it. It's not just tough on the quarterback taking hits, it's tough on the tackles with their aiming points, where are they going. It's something you have to practice a lot to get very good at."

"From a talent standpoint as far as throwing the ball I don't see a lot of weaknesses," Gruden said. "It's just that he hasn't been asked to do a lot of different things as far as the drop-back passing game is concerned. I don't know if he is going to have any limitations. He might not have any. We'll wait and see."

I understand this. It just solidifies my notion that the comment about it being "foolish to make RGIII a pocker passer" is indeed foolish itself.

6 years in the Bucs front office doesn't 'say otherwise'? Director of Pro Scouting doesn't 'say otherwise'?

I suggest you look at those drafts during that time. Complete garbage. Ask Raheem Morris. He inherited that shit team.

I understand this. It just solidifies my notion that the comment about it being "foolish to make RGIII a pocker passer" is indeed foolish itself.

It would be foolish to make him operate like a Manning or Brady is what I believe he meant.

You're getting way too caught up in one liners.