Lotus 01-20-2014, 06:01 PM Jay Gruden's deal with Redskins includes rare five guaranteed years - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24414015/jay-grudens-deal-with-redskins-includes-rare-five-guaranteed-years)
Why are we always doing things differently from other teams? For 20 years we've tried to do things our own unique way...and for 20 years we've been losers. Maybe it's time to do things like other teams, such as giving a "normal" contract to a first-time HC.
Oh well.
skinsfan69 01-20-2014, 06:56 PM Don't we already know that? :)
IMO we likely will overpay for Rak, as it will take some elite money to sign him despite the fact that he has not put up elite numbers. But not to sign him creates a large hole which is very difficult to fill.
Where was that hole during the 7 game win streak when he was out of the lineup?
Lotus 01-20-2014, 07:15 PM [/B]
Where was that hole during the 7 game win streak when he was out of the lineup?
Aside from the year he was out in 2012, Rak has averaged about 60 tackles and 10 sacks a year.
Rob Jackson had 37 tackles and 4.5 sacks in 16 games in 2012.
So that's a 23 tackle and 5.5 sack difference. It's relatively easy to find someone who will put up Jackson's 4.5 sacks; it is hard to find someone who will put up 10 sacks. That hole.
CRedskinsRule 01-20-2014, 07:53 PM Why are we always doing things differently from other teams? For 20 years we've tried to do things our own unique way...and for 20 years we've been losers. Maybe it's time to do things like other teams, such as giving a "normal" contract to a first-time HC.
Oh well.
If the Skins give him a 3 yr 12 million contract I guarantee that JLC would have spun it as a sign that DS was going to yank him and that he would be looking over his shoulder every year.
Instead it gets spun as the Skins being an outlier because DS has been a "become a cancer for coaches".
DS just took a 10million dollar bite because Shanahan didn't perform, so it seems to me that he would take an 8-12million bite if it's clear the Skins need to move on, but bottomline, no media will make Gruden or Allen feel insecure regardless of the spin they try to put on it.
And Smoot thanks for the numbers, is there any place where coaching salaries are published like players. I tried spottrac but that didn't seem to have it (i was looking for Garretts which I thought would be public by now)
edit:
NFL Head Coach Contracts & Salaries | The Front Office (http://sportsgmtalk.wordpress.com/head-coach-and-manager-contracts/nfl-head-coach-contracts-salaries/)
this one has a decent list.
Lotus 01-20-2014, 08:08 PM If the Skins give him a 3 yr 12 million contract I guarantee that JLC would have spun it as a sign that DS was going to yank him and that he would be looking over his shoulder every year.
Instead it gets spun as the Skins being an outlier because DS has been a "become a cancer for coaches".
DS just took a 10million dollar bite because Shanahan didn't perform, so it seems to me that he would take an 8-12million bite if it's clear the Skins need to move on, but bottomline, no media will make Gruden or Allen feel insecure regardless of the spin they try to put on it.
And Smoot thanks for the numbers, is there any place where coaching salaries are published like players. I tried spottrac but that didn't seem to have it (i was looking for Garretts which I thought would be public by now)
edit:
NFL Head Coach Contracts & Salaries | The Front Office (http://sportsgmtalk.wordpress.com/head-coach-and-manager-contracts/nfl-head-coach-contracts-salaries/)
this one has a decent list.
My friend, I could give a goat's ear what JLC has to say either way.
My point is that we keep reinventing the wheel and then keep finding that our wheel is crappier than others. Seems to me that there is a lesson there.
CRedskinsRule 01-20-2014, 08:13 PM Some notables that I see,
hired this year
Bill OBrian got a 5 year deal
Tennessee gave Whisenhut more than 4 years, + 1m/yr more than Detroit offered.
Lovie got 4yrs + 1 option
Minnesota and Detroit are undisclosed
So for this year's batch 5 years doesn't seem way off base on the deal
Last year (from my memory)
Chip Kelly has 5 years left at 6.5 mill a year
Andy Reid has 5yrs
Philbin has 4 yrs left
Marone in Buffalo and Trestman in Chicago both have 4 years left, I think that makes theirs 5 yrs originally
Andy Reid has 5yrs
Just doesn't seem like we are as out there as JLC maybe portrayed it.
CRedskinsRule 01-20-2014, 08:16 PM My friend, I could give a goat's ear what JLC has to say either way.
My point is that we keep reinventing the wheel and then keep finding that our wheel is crappier than others. Seems to me that there is a lesson there.
I understand the sentiment. Whenever we hire a new guy, you first have to convince them that all the "better" ways really aren't. But I don't think you can just assume from a JLC article that we are being the outlier he makes us seem like. And when you look at the coaching hires of the past two years (my last post) I think it should put your mind a little at ease.
SolidSnake84 01-20-2014, 08:20 PM I don't want to be Debbie Downer i swear, but am I the only one who is reminded just a little bit of the Jim Zorn hire? The situation sort of feels the same to me....a guy who all of a sudden is becoming head coach...
I think the results will be better than Zorn, but the way the situation has been handled so far makes me think of that....
CRedskinsRule 01-20-2014, 08:32 PM 13 NFL HCs make more than $4 million/year
in the link I quoted, 12 coaches were listed at over 4mil, with Gruden at 4 that makes 13.
BUT only 4 made less while 15 were undisclosed. Are you saying that all the undisclosed amounts are less then $4mil/year, or that 13 HC's have a disclosed salary of 4m + / year?
Because I would find it odd that all 15 were under 4million, especially when you consider JJ probably was competitive to keep Garrett, and Harbaugh is listed at 7mil .
Lotus 01-20-2014, 08:39 PM I understand the sentiment. Whenever we hire a new guy, you first have to convince them that all the "better" ways really aren't. But I don't think you can just assume from a JLC article that we are being the outlier he makes us seem like. And when you look at the coaching hires of the past two years (my last post) I think it should put your mind a little at ease.
Again, JLC is not affecting my argument.
Crucial here is not the number of contract years but the number of guaranteed years (this is not reflected on your list).
And I'm willing to grant that this individual issue is not a big deal. But having seen us fail to reinvent the wheel again and again, every attempt to be "different" (like having a GM whose specialty is not talent evaluation and giving an unusual contract to our new HC) makes me very leery.
And I'm left with the question: why not just do things the normal way?
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