Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

I gotta disagree Tripp. We finished 31st in defense in 2013 - are there really 30 other teams with more talent on defense than us? Same argument goes for 2012, etc.

While we need talent, especially in the secondary, IMO the talent argument is quite limited.31st in which ranking?

I think with Shanny gone and both Haz and Kyle were still around, much easier to make the arguement for Kyle to stay. The same arguement of special teams applys to both.

31st in which ranking?

points allowed

So with the addition of talent coming with cap freedom, draft and Shanny's meddling, and better performing special teams(cant be worse than last year) we should expect a defense ranking of ?....at least top 15 right?

I think we are really kidding ourselves

FO has them at 22nd, about 4% below average

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef)

Be skeptical of anything that has them ranked bottom five, as that stat probably isn't adjusting for opponent.

Points allowed includes the worst special teams in the league in there when it's counts how many points this team allowed. That's what I'm saying: if you lump in the special teams with anything, this year's Redskins team becomes historically bad.

So with the addition of talent coming with cap freedom, draft and Shanny's meddling, and better performing special teams(cant be worse than last year) we should expect a defense ranking of ?....at least top 15 right?Knowing nothing about the offseason they can have, my expectation would be 22nd-ish. Right about the same spot.

Bottom line is we don't have one elite player on defense. Aldon Smith walks right out of some rehab joint and abuses Trent Williams. We don't have that player.

FO has them at 22nd, about 4% below average

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef)

Be skeptical of anything that has them ranked bottom five, as that stat probably isn't adjusting for opponent.

You watch the Minnesota game? You watch the KC game? Hell, even the Chicago game we won?

Folks, 3-13 tied for worst record in the history of the Skins, heads roll

You watch the Minnesota game? You watch the KC game? Hell, even the Chicago game we won?

Folks, 3-13 tied for worst record in the history of the Skins, heads rollI did not watch the KC game. Knew at that point that nothing would be changing under Mike Shanahan.

Bottom line is we don't have one elite player on defense. Aldon Smith walks right out of some rehab joint and abuses Trent Williams. We don't have that player.

Your gonna be really pissed if Orakpo leaves