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SirLK26 05-08-2014, 04:00 PM I understand protecting RGIII, but it can only go so far at the expense of your team as a whole. There's a big disparity between the talent level on offense and defense right now. I know it's not a popular opinion (going against upgrading both sides of the lines), but it's a greater upgrade for the team as a whole if the Redskins upgrade secondary versus any other position or part of the team. Neglecting a major need in the secondary year after year to create a stout offensive line - doesn't make sense to me. It's just really unbalanced. And it also indirectly creates undue pressure on RGIII and the Redskins offense by needing to consistently score more points than a weak defense is giving them up.
RGIII will need to adapt to the weak link at the offensive line in Polumbus. And by all accounts by the current and past regimes, the coaches don't feel he's that bad. The Redskins also can't operate like RGIII is as fragile as a china doll.
At least last season's weak link was upgraded with the addition and shuffle at the center and guard positions.
A lot of your first paragraph is true, but to specifically target an area of the team and then to go into the draft and try to fix that area even at the expense of taking better players just isn't smart. I want us to take the highest rated player on our board, that rating obviously taking into account talent and character as well as need. That is the only way to build a team. And apparently our current FO understands that, because they used FA, for the most part, exactly how you're supposed to: a way to build depth. With the additions of Tracy Porter and Ryan Clark, secondary isn't as big of a need as it was when FA started, so now they can go into the draft and take BPA. They don't have to go into pick #34 and say, "Okay, there's a lot of great players available, but our secondary is in such need that let's take this guy even though there's higher rated players at different positions on our board."
If a DB is BPA at #34, I'll be leaping up and down as high as you. Because secondary is a big need and needs to be taken care of, I agree. But not at the expense of a better player at a different position.
About my comment on RTs, I wasn't suggesting that we reach for one or specifically target one with our first pick at all. I was saying that if a RT is BPA, that could be better for our team long-term than if a DB is BPA.
SirLK26 05-08-2014, 04:01 PM ... and I'm sold on Deone Bucannon. He has everything and all the potential in the world. Only thing keeping him under the radar is - he's from Washington State.
Yup, I am too. He's a great safety with a very high ceiling, IMO.
warriorzpath 05-08-2014, 04:07 PM A lot of your first paragraph is true, but to specifically target an area of the team and then to go into the draft and try to fix that area even at the expense of taking better players just isn't smart. I want us to take the highest rated player on our board, that rating obviously taking into account talent and character as well as need. That is the only way to build a team. And apparently our current FO understands that, because they used FA, for the most part, exactly how you're supposed to: a way to build depth. With the additions of Tracy Porter and Ryan Clark, secondary isn't as big of a need as it was when FA started, so now they can go into the draft and take BPA. They don't have to go into pick #34 and say, "Okay, there's a lot of great players available, but our secondary is in such need that let's take this guy even though there's higher rated players at different positions on our board."
If a DB is BPA at #34, I'll be leaping up and down as high as you. Because secondary is a big need and needs to be taken care of, I agree. But not at the expense of a better player at a different position.
About my comment on RTs, I wasn't suggesting that we reach for one or specifically target one with our first pick at all. I was saying that if a RT is BPA, that could be better for our team long-term than if a DB is BPA.
The thing about BPA that most fans don't understand though is - most teams don't go about the draft with pure BPA. They create their draft board with the players they rank - relative to their needs. In other words, needs impact player rankings.
warriorzpath 05-08-2014, 04:10 PM ... so the higher the need at a position -> the higher the team's ranking of a player at that position.
SirLK26 05-08-2014, 04:13 PM The thing about BPA that most fans don't understand though is - most teams don't go about the draft with pure BPA. They create their draft board with the players they rank - relative to their needs. In other words, needs impact player rankings.
Yep, thus this quote from my post, "I want us to take the highest rated player on our board, that rating obviously taking into account talent and character as well as need." If Verrett is available, he'll likely be BPA according to our board. But if a less talented guy like, say, Ward, is available at #34 along with, say, Moses, I'd say it would be quite likely Moses would be BPA on our board.
I think we're basically saying the same thing, it's just that secondary is a bigger need to you than it is to me.
warriorzpath 05-08-2014, 04:16 PM Essentially when the teams create a draft board, they target positions of need and/or of greatest impact first. If you've played Fantasy Football, it's similiar to your draft strategy in that.
TenandSix:Unacceptable 05-08-2014, 04:36 PM I understand protecting RGIII, but it can only go so far at the expense of your team as a whole. There's a big disparity between the talent level on offense and defense right now. I know it's not a popular opinion (going against upgrading both sides of the lines), but it's a greater upgrade for the team as a whole if the Redskins upgrade secondary versus any other position or part of the team. Neglecting a major need in the secondary year after year to create a stout offensive line - doesn't make sense to me. It's just really unbalanced. And it also indirectly creates undue pressure on RGIII and the Redskins offense by needing to consistently score more points than a weak defense is giving them up.
RGIII will need to adapt to the weak link at the offensive line in Polumbus. And by all accounts by the current and past regimes, the coaches don't feel he's that bad. The Redskins also can't operate like RGIII is as fragile as a china doll.
At least last season's weak link was upgraded with the addition and shuffle at the center and guard positions.
Umm. Were you alive last year? We drafted amerson, Rambo and Thomas. How'd that turn out? The redskins need large men who can play. Lots of them. A team with a pass rush can get away with smoke and mirrors in the secondary. A team with an OL can protect a lead, get away with average QB play, and make up for a whole host of other problems. Build this team at the point of attack, we've got enough to make hay outside of that. It'll take a couple years. OL, DL, LB and TE are the areas I'd key in on for this years team. If a nice player at another position falls to us by all means take him. We need football players, just focus on the big ones if given the option.
warriorzpath 05-08-2014, 04:50 PM Umm. Were you alive last year? We drafted amerson, Rambo and Thomas. How'd that turn out? The redskins need large men who can play. Lots of them. A team with a pass rush can get away with smoke and mirrors in the secondary. A team with an OL can protect a lead, get away with average QB play, and make up for a whole host of other problems. Build this team at the point of attack, we've got enough to make hay outside of that. It'll take a couple years. OL, DL, LB and TE are the areas I'd key in on for this years team. If a nice player at another position falls to us by all means take him. We need football players, just focus on the big ones if given the option.
Neglect was the wrong word to use - should have said: failed to solve the secondary issues.
It didn't work out because Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas didn't produce for the team. Look at all the great defenses (and as a result great teams) in the league, at the very least their secondaries were solid. The Redskins - not so much. There are question marks everywhere.
CRedskinsRule 05-08-2014, 04:59 PM Neglect was the wrong word to use - should have said: failed to solve the secondary issues.
It didn't work out because Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas didn't produce for the team. Look at all the great defenses (and as a result great teams) in the league, at the very least their secondaries were solid. The Redskins - not so much. There are question marks everywhere.
Sherman from the Seahawks was drafted in 2011. He made his mark last year. Maybe a little in 2012.
Can we please give the guys we drafted last year at least 1 year's grace before we throw them out into the muddy river of NFL wannabees?
Alvin Walton 05-08-2014, 05:05 PM Neglect was the wrong word to use - should have said: failed to solve the secondary issues.
It didn't work out because Amerson, Rambo, and Thomas didn't produce for the team. Look at all the great defenses (and as a result great teams) in the league, at the very least their secondaries were solid. The Redskins - not so much. There are question marks everywhere.
Rambo didnt produce.
Thomas was injured.
Amerson looks like a CB starter this year.
And they were r o o k i e s...................
*insert huge roll eyes icon here*
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