Musgrave.

bigSKINSbauer you got it rite bout Ramsey-that is what I was saying-you put it down better-way to go

come now, you should know better than to question our "fan-ness" because we express (very) valid concerns and see the negative as well as the positive. it's called "tough love". there's burgundy BLOOD, that we've been bleeding for years, and then there's burgundy KOOL-AID. blood is thicker than water.

I prefer a QB that can also run-McNabb will be running again next yr. because the Eagles are a better team when he does

I prefer a QB that can also run-McNabb will be running again next yr. because the Eagles are a better team when he does


How do you figure? As Matty pointed out he had his best year and went to the SB when he ran for the lest amount of yards in his career.

Running QB's don't win, but pocket passer's do. Take a long hard look at what Philli did to Vick, Atlanta IMO was an equally talented team to philli, and the falcons may have the greatest running QB of all time in Vick, and philli shut him down, period!

Brady, Warner, Johnson, Dilfer, have won the last 6 SB's none of which can really get out of their own way.

understanding how to run an offense is far more important than the ability to run.

Completely agreed. It's fine that you can run, but until you become a pocket passer, you are pretty much one-dimensional. At risk of getting shit AGAIN for saying this about Vick, he is just a RB playing QB. And to reiterate and defend myself for the 123125134809th time, YES he does have a great arm and YES he is exciting to watch (if nothing more than to see if he's going to rush for 100 yards or get sacked 10+ times).

But until he learns how to USE that arm he has and throw some touch passes, he is nothing more than what I mentioned before. A running back playing QB.

I agree Malcolm, Vick will be at his most dangerous when he masters throwing from the pocket... with accuracy of course.

Until then he's a very exciting player that puts people in the seats, but he's not going to be taking home any hardware until he becomes a more complete player.

Thanks for the support Matty.

I always seem to get shit when I talk about St. Vick.

Having a QB with speed is like having a DE with great hands. There's all kinds of things that player can do that a normal DE can't, and it makes him a better player. It doesn't necessarily make him a better DE, though. As long as the job of QB involves making accurate throws to teammates both near and far away, Vick and McNabb will come up lacking when measured against the Brady's, Culpepper's, and Manning's (Peyton Manning's that is) of the league. It doesn't make them bad football players, they aren't as good at being QBs.

Now, that doesn't mean a slow leadfoot with accuracy is better than Vick, it just means the WRs for Johnny Slowpants are probably going to catch more balls than Peerless Price is.

come now, you should know better than to question our "fan-ness" because we express (very) valid concerns and see the negative as well as the positive. it's called "tough love". there's burgundy BLOOD, that we've been bleeding for years, and then there's burgundy KOOL-AID. blood is thicker than water.


I don't know...maybe those concerns are just illdefined. I guess we just have to agree to disagree, because I don't see the team being anything like the dreary picture you've painted. You can say I'm drinking the "KOOL-AID" all ya want, but you can't sit next to me on the bandwagon once they start winning.

we should ask. what do you guys think of Gibb's choice to get and stick with Brunell? how did it affect our season? our team? and ultimately this off-season? whats the consensus around the media?

just cuz i think it was a huge, costly mistake doesn't mean i think Gibbs will keep making them. or that we're doomed. i'm excited about Taylor and our defense, Ramsey and the new OLine, and i'm one of the few Portis heads on this board. the reason i brought this up is precisely because its so UNUSUAL of Gibbs, like i said, i too thought he could do no wrong. i think his first decision back was a terrible one, and am hopeful he'll use it to never make another bad one again.