Musgrave.

Gibbs is a big "stats" guy. When he got out of the season and saw how badly he ranked in plays over 25 yards I am sure it ate him up. When he says he will improve that, he will. Period. It may not mean he gets into the top ten, but they will improve.
Musgrave was brought in because Ramsey is a gun slinger and Gibbs wanted to help round out his game. Musgrave can get the best out of QB's and understands the west coast offense blocking schemes. This will be good because he will help to employ Portis in the short passing.

In short, Musgrave can help the short passes go longer and Gibbs gets to develop a long passing game to exploit the defenses. Remember, Gibbs calls the plays, not Musgrave.

I agree with your first two statements, and slightly disagree with your last statement about Ramsey needing "coaching up. "

First, Gibbs even admits he learned a lot last season - principally he needs to "open-up" the offense. So, even if Musgrave was conservative in Jacksonville, I don't think that means we'll retain our conservative approach on offense.

Second, Musgrave is supposedly a pretty damn good position coach. Being a bad offensive coordinator doesn't necessarily mean he won't be a good QB coach again.

As to your last point that Ramsey needs coaching up.....I agree that Ramsey needs additional coaching (as any young QB does). But, I think Ramsey needs experience more than coaching. It typically takes a QB a full two seasons of starting to develop. Thus far, Ramsey's started 23 games. Moreover, those 23 games were under two different head coaches, three different offensive coordinators, and over the course of three seasons. I think he needs a solid coaching staff (which he has) and a chance to start a number of consecutive games (which he hasn't had).

yeah yeah, i think he needs a good position coach, he messes up quiet a bit and don't get me wrong i do not want any other quarterback in there. I would like him in there for years but he does need to learn more about the game, after seeing some of his tape on fox and then on playbook on NFL network it just seemed that he wasn't throwing it to the obvious choice and was just throwing it short to a covered man but i am sure that a little more experience will go a long way its just that he needs a good coach and good experience and not just experince

Well, Musgrave wasn't brought in to be the offensive coordinator so there's not much sense in analyzing his playcalling abilities.

I think there's this misconception with some of the younger fans that Gibbs is this ultra-conservative minded offensive coach, which just isn't true. But going off last year I can see why this opinion is forming.

Gibbs is responsible for some of the more explosive offenses in NFL history. Last year was definitely an adjustment for him, but I believe we'll see a much improved offense in 2005 with an improved offensive line, a more experienced Ramsey under center, a group of speedy WRs, and Gibbs having last year under his belt.

As I indicated in another thread, the offense averaged over 300 yards per game and just over 20 points per game in the last 5 games of last season. I think we'll see a continuation of that late season development in 2005.

musgrave was also brought in to help gibbs with zone blitzing defense which i believe made gibbs very cautious with plays and thus had a bigger effect on ramsey's play. musgrave was brought in to help with plays, but not to call them. i believe musgrave was brought in for 2 reasons, help ramsey develope fundamentals, and help both ramsey and gibbs with what modern day D-coordinators are doing with defense (zone blitzing, (3-4)... which gibbs rarely seen in his first stint

musgrave was also brought in to help gibbs with zone blitzing defense which i believe made gibbs very cautious with plays and thus had a bigger effect on ramsey's play. musgrave was brought in to help with plays, but not to call them. i believe musgrave was brought in for 2 reasons, help ramsey develope fundamentals, and help both ramsey and gibbs with what modern day D-coordinators are doing with defense (zone blitzing, (3-4)... which gibbs rarely seen in his first stint

Good points, and since Musgrave's background is in the west coast offense I'm sure that will benefit Gibbs to see a different perspective in offensive schemes.

Ramseyfan you refer to it as additional coaching - I call it coaching up-either way one states it-Ramsey needs it -QB performance will be the KEY to our season

Well, Musgrave wasn't brought in to be the offensive coordinator so there's not much sense in analyzing his playcalling abilities.

I think there's this misconception with some of the younger fans that Gibbs is this ultra-conservative minded offensive coach, which just isn't true. But going off last year I can see why this opinion is forming.

Gibbs is responsible for some of the more explosive offenses in NFL history. Last year was definitely an adjustment for him, but I believe we'll see a much improved offense in 2005 with an improved offensive line, a more experienced Ramsey under center, a group of speedy WRs, and Gibbs having last year under his belt.

As I indicated in another thread, the offense averaged over 300 yards per game and just over 20 points per game in the last 5 games of last season. I think we'll see a continuation of that late season development in 2005.


Amen to that! I sort of can understand the youngins basing what they know about Gibbs from what they have seen. I just can't understand why us older fans are bashed in believing in Gibbs when we're doing the same exact thing?

Amen to that! I sort of can understand the youngins basing what they know about Gibbs from what they have seen. I just can't understand why us older fans are bashed in believing in Gibbs when we're doing the same exact thing?

Yeah, I don't think that the young guys can really understand how totally dominate the offenses under Gibbs were. There are guys hate to lose, guys that work hard to make sure they won't, guys who are smart enough to take a hard look at themselves and change when needed... and Gibbs has always been all of those. I can't believe he is a different person now.

As Matty said, Musgrave has a background in the west coast offense, so he's coming from a slightly different direction. I think that's a big reason he's there, as well as his obvious role in developing Ramsey. He's not here, as far as I can tell, to call plays. He brings a different perspective and he's a quality coach. What's the problem? No one thinks Musgrave is going to be the big difference-maker. Either Gibbs will figure it out or he wont. Having clear memories of the dominant Gibbs offenses of the 80's-early 90's, I'm optimistic. But we'll see...

agree with those posters about musgraves purpose as a redskin. most young qb's really benefit from having a qb coach to talk to all the time... ramsey will be no different.

as to what went on in jax, perhaps his playcalling was reflective of the personnel and their shortcomings rather than his own.

in the end, bringing on a younger guy who is well versed in the WCO is absolutely a plus for the team. i see no downside..