Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday

I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.He's more like Grossman than Dalton, IMO.

First of all, I think any talk of getting rid of Robert is ridiculous. Secondly, let's put things in perspective, shall we? Let's go back to 1993 and compare the number of starting quarterbacks of the Washington Redskins to the number of starting quarterbacks for the New England Patriots:

New England Patriots from 1993 to present:

Drew Bledsoe, Scott Secules, Scott Zolak, Tom Brady, Matt Cassel.

Washington Redskins from 1993 to present:

Mark Rypien, Cary Conklin, John friez, Rich Gannon, Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Tony Banks, Danny Weurefel (ms), Shane Matthew, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, Jason Campbell, Todd Collins, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, John Beck, Robert Griffin III, Kirk Cousins.

Let's take away the QBs who came in solely because the starter was out with an injury - the Patriots have two starting quarterbacks in a 20 year span. The Redskins would still have well over 15 different starters in a 20 year span. Let that sink in. Robert Griffin III had, clearly, the best year of any Redskins quarterback since 1991 last season. Yes, he regressed this season. But after two seasons, one absolutely great season, the other a mediocre season at best, you're wanting to pick him apart? I don't understand this line of thinking.

Any talk of trading Robert is crazy talk.

For clarification, all my thoughts are based on the preceding quotes from the bleacherreport link which painted rg3 as a spoiled brat/cry baby who won't listen to his coaches. Hence, the first word in my post was "if." If rg is that much of a diva, I don't want him on my team. If those reports aren't true, and he's a high character guy who tries to build good relationships with his coaches and team mates and readily accepts all coaching given him, then I'm happy he's here.

I don't mean to crap all over the question, because it's a really strong discussion point. But the question isn't relevant. Griffin doesn't need more time. He needs superiors who know what they are doing and have the best interests of the franchise in mind.

The answer to your question is a practical one. Mike Shanahan is going to take the fall for the failure of this team. He deserves it of course, but even if he didn't he's taking the fall. He's been here the longest, he's done the least to help, and he can't come back. Griffin gets (and deserves) a total pass.

Thing is, Griffin knows how this game works: after the guy who brought you in gets fired, you're the next one to get held responsible. So the organization has to turn around now, or Griffin can't continue to be the quarterback. He's going to get the length of the next coaches' tenure to win here. In three years, if the Redskins look up and haven't won yet, they'll change the QB and the coach.

That's how the game is played.

Thing is, five years probably isn't enough time to fully develop a quarterback from scratch. Brady was in what, year 8 (2007), when Belichick took the training wheels off for good. Peyton Manning was in year...7 (2004)? Eli was in year 8 (2011). Brees was on his second organization. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco have gotten the training wheels taken off and...well...you can see that the structure they had before may have been beneficial for them.

You don't need to stick with a QB who isn't progressing and Griffin is no exception. So if he's worse next year than this year, there's no reason to beat ones head against the wall any longer. But he's going to look somewhat better in a more QB friendly system, and he's a ways away from his peak NFL seasons.

Could not be more wrong here. Brady and Manning were running pro offenses in their first full years under center and passing the ball, as was Andrew Luck. There were no "training wheels" as you put it. Wilson, Griff, Locker, EJ Manuel, Ponder?? I think those guys needed to start out with conservative type offenses.

If the problem is Griffins attitude, firing the Shanahans and replacing him with a less accomplished head coach and offensive staff isnt going to do a damn thing to help him be a better quarterback.

Id trade Griffin for a top 10 pick if i could get it and feel like i got a steal. I know we invested alot in him, but right now he does not have the skillset, desire, or attitude to show he's worth that investment. On the flipside, Cousins, while having less athletic ability, appears light years ahead of Griffin in mechanics, decision making, coachability, and leadership. Sometimes its best to cut your losses and move on.

Wow. Trade RG3. Ok. I'm not advocating either way, just shocked it finally came up.

What is the last point at which the team loses the chance to trade either one? I'm asking cause I'd definitely hold out till atleast that point or close to it.

Again the other thought is will the WHOLE coaching staff be back or will there be some changes made? Will MS stick with the Spread Option scheme or is he done with it and wants to run his scheme he had in Denver? What will DS want to do scheme wise?< I know the HC should get to decide but if DS is set on the Spread Option then I could see MS fired if MS does not want to use that anymore. If DS is wanting MS to use the scheme he thought he was bringing in from Denver then the Spread Option is out.

What I see it boiling down to is what's more important to DS?

1- RG3 = Spread/Read Option (could mean Briles brought in)
2- MS WCO = Cousins (unless RG3 makes a huge learning curve)
3- Spread/Read Option = Briles = RG3.

These are just my thoughts. But MS is fighting for his job now. If he's not fired. If it was me... I'd ditch the college stuff and go with what made me a good coach in the past, use Cousins for these last 3 games as he did, point out to the owner and Allen at the end all the differences between the two QB's and lobby for keeping me my final year with whichever is the best QB next Sept.

and because of that.... RG3 might find himself on the trading block if he didn't make a huge leap this off season. Also as an owner I'd have to look at RG3's dad and if he is stiring the pot. If he is then RG3 might be gone just based off that.

You would trade a potential franchise QB because he had one bad year, after having the best year a QB has had in Washington in what feels like decades... Because you feel comfortable having a QB that at his very best will probably be Andy dalton...

Not to mention the coaching staff at Washington had proven to be one of the worst coaching staffs in the NFL, if not the worst staff... Im failing to see how getting another coaching staff will be anything but an upgrade.

As I just said I wouldn't trade RG3 nor Cousins just yet, but throwing around the two words Potential and Franchise has me chuckling. Maybe Cousins is a Potential Franchise QB? Maybe RG3 never reaches his Potential everyone is talking about? Just look at J.Campbell for that reasoning.

All this drama has got some of you hook line and sinker.

All this reminds me of a bad breakup and both sides are trying to make the other look as bad as possible. When in reality it's more smoke than substance.

I don't get the Andy Dalton comparison. Cousins has already shown he throws a better deep ball than Dalton. He also seems to be more mobile.

I also thought it funny the sports junkies were comparing him to Grossman and Beck with his INT's.

HELLO.... he's had two starts. Grossman came to us with several years under his belt as well as Beck. LOL.

I'll just be happy if the team keeps both young guns, ditches Grossman, and drafts another young QB in the mid to late rounds to sit on the practice squad for development and to learn the scheme. That way if, and it's a big if, MS stays and rights the ship and we are back in the play offs next year, whatever they do with them meaning trading one and resigning the other we would still have another young guy ready to be back up.

All this drama has got some of you hook line and sinker.

All this reminds me of a bad breakup and both sides are trying to make the other look as bad as possible. When in reality it's more smoke than substance.

Fix the gaskets then, change the oil, tune it up and lets roll....

maybe keep the other kind of smoke for the rest of the guys ;)

I'm just tired of hearing all the "We gotta trade Cousins" banter. I think we need to keep both for now.