Kirk Cousins Expected To Start Sunday


Gary84Clark
12-13-2013, 12:47 PM
Wait... does that mean he's better? I'm asking cause I think Tebow is not a good QB.

His body type is inferior.

SBXVII
12-13-2013, 12:54 PM
If cousins plays well it will be because the Skins played the Falcons (29th ranked D), The Giants (21st ranked D), and the Cowboys... possibly the Worst defense ever. If he actually was concerned for RG3 or wanted to give Cousins a chance he would have benched him against KC. Except Shanahan knows KC would kill Cousins too so he would look like an idiot, which in my opinion, he already does.

I think this was well calculated move by Shanahan for future coaching jobs for him or his son.

Ok, so I guess the coaches mind set is "hey, if I bench the 90% healthy starting QB with 3 meaningless games left and claim I'm protecting him then some other team will look at that as being brilliant and hire me." ? That does not make sense since most here seem to think its a dumb idiot move.

I think MS and KS would have gotten picked up somewhere else no matter what. I mean look at Marty Schottenheimer and his son. Marty moved to several teams but kept getting picked up. His son is with the Rams right now but didn't coach well with the Jets his final year.

I think owners are smart enough to know that its not just about putting together a great coaching staff but also having great players who buy into the system. If any one of the three are bad (coaching, system, or players) then no play offs, no SB. But sometimes its a crap shoot. A very expensive crap shoot putting together the right mix.

SBXVII
12-13-2013, 12:55 PM
This is like the Middle Ages debate about how many angels can stand on the point of a pin.

Who gives a damn about the true reasons why Shanahan shut down RGIII? He and his entire coaching staff will soon be gone. That's what is important.

I can hardly wait to wave bye-bye to them so I can start bitching about the new guy and his staff.

Don't bring Religion into this debate.

donofriose
12-13-2013, 12:56 PM
I don't argue the poor record, but just because MS is the HC and RG3 was drafted does not mean RG3 was MS's guy and he wanted him and we all should blame MS for picking RG3.

WE all have seen in the past and heard years later that Snyder wanted a specific player or Cerrato wanted a specific player and the HC didn't want them. I'd believe you had these things not happened before. Then the rumor that Cousins was drafted because MS really wanted Cousins.

If RG3 was truly MS's guy and the face of the Franchise then there was no need to draft Cousins or any QB so high after RG3. We could have picked up a 6th rounder or 7th rounder to ride the bench or hold a clip board. The only fiasco I see is a possible QB controversy if Cousins plays well in these last 3 games. The problem is Snyder probably does not want to fire MS and pay him 7 mill as well as pay another coach 7 mill.

Also do any of the other coaches get the same treatment in regards to getting paid even if they are fired? I doubt DS wants to pay this whole coaching staff if he fires them and another coaching staff to do the job. It's easy for us fans to say "Fire Shanahan" but that's because it's not coming out of our pockets.

I heard if they remove the entire coaching staff it would cost around 20 million dollars. Not sure of the exact number though.

Mike had the final say on personnel decisions so if he didn't want RG3, he should have said no. It is irrelevant if Snyder was pushing for him or not. Shanahan was in control, not Snyder.

over the mountain
12-13-2013, 12:57 PM
Everyone thought drew brees wasn't any good after he left SD and now look at the guy. Patience people

yeah i lived in san diego at that time and the few chargers fans that existed were split with "hes okay" or "we need to upgrade".

a lot like jason campbell discussions here (not that they were similar skill sets, just the split opinion amongst fans).

Ultimately they didnt have a talented all-around team and didnt give brees many weapons to work with in the receiving corps. I think they brought in a washed up david boston and fans thought brees had all the help he needed.

Alot like the skins now, bad coaching with an incomplete team

rg3 will be a stud.

donofriose
12-13-2013, 01:00 PM
Ok, so I guess the coaches mind set is "hey, if I bench the 90% healthy starting QB with 3 meaningless games left and claim I'm protecting him then some other team will look at that as being brilliant and hire me." ? That does not make sense since most here seem to think its a dumb idiot move.

I think MS and KS would have gotten picked up somewhere else no matter what. I mean look at Marty Schottenheimer and his son. Marty moved to several teams but kept getting picked up. His son is with the Rams right now but didn't coach well with the Jets his final year.

I think owners are smart enough to know that its not just about putting together a great coaching staff but also having great players who buy into the system. If any one of the three are bad (coaching, system, or players) then no play offs, no SB. But sometimes its a crap shoot. A very expensive crap shoot putting together the right mix.

No, I think Kyle and Mike can say it was Snyder and RG3's fault for our failures, not ours. I believe that is their end game. Mike might not coach again and I think people around the league are starting to like Kyle less and less. But I agree coaches get a lot of chances they do not deserve... Like Mike Shanahan in Washington.

Well Shanahan was in control of coaching, the system, and having the final decision on players (even more than Allen from what I read). So I guess Snyder trusted the wrong guy in order to fix all three of the problems that Washington has had the past 20 years.

SBXVII
12-13-2013, 01:02 PM
One track mind obsessed with Obama. i said Tebow and he said Obama??? WTH?

I'm sorry it appeared you were making a wise crack about the people making negative comments about RG3 must be Tebow lovers and are "going hard against RG3."

Seemed like a negative dig to me referring to all who didn't have 100% positive things to say about RG3. My bad. I didn't know you did not mean to use that statement in that context. Thus my comment about how people who don't like hearing negative things about Obama quickly use the "your a racist" comment.

Again I apologize for mis reading you. ;)

SBXVII
12-13-2013, 01:06 PM
I heard if they remove the entire coaching staff it would cost around 20 million dollars. Not sure of the exact number though.

Mike had the final say on personnel decisions so if he didn't want RG3, he should have said no. It is irrelevant if Snyder was pushing for him or not. Shanahan was in control, not Snyder.

So imagine 20 mill and then paying a whole new group to coach this team. As long as it's not my money ... I'm all for it, but I'd bet DS would raise the ticket prices yet again to off set it.

I thought decisions were made by all 3, DS-Allen-MS. but even so if your boss comes to you and say hey I want this guy... do you tell him no when he's paying your salary? or do you get his guy and still go out and pick the QB you think is better?

donofriose
12-13-2013, 01:16 PM
So imagine 20 mill and then paying a whole new group to coach this team. As long as it's not my money ... I'm all for it, but I'd bet DS would raise the ticket prices yet again to off set it.

I thought decisions were made by all 3, DS-Allen-MS. but even so if your boss comes to you and say hey I want this guy... do you tell him no when he's paying your salary? or do you get his guy and still go out and pick the QB you think is better?

Snyder isn't going to raise ticket prices for the coaching staff. Tickets are more about supply and demand than how much you pay for coaches. He saw the stadium last weekend, the lack of demand will be more of a problem than paying a new coaching staff.

From what I read and heard Mike had the final decision. Similar to Carroll in Seattle, or Jimmy Johnson of the Cowboys when they were a dynasty. It isn't a coincidence that ever since Jerry Jones has had the final decision the Cowboys have been mediocre. Snyder, I'm sure approached him about RG3, but Mike came in telling Snyder that he will have complete control, told Snyder who the GM will be, and Snyder still paid him.

Honestly, if my salary was guaranteed, like Mike's is, I would make the decisions I thought would be best for the team. If snyder fired him he would still get paid so why would he care. He could probably get a job at another place because he would have evidence of Snyder trying to do too much. Then the entire Redskins would nation would hate Snyder even more.

FRPLG
12-13-2013, 01:33 PM
If you have to clarify why you're not a racist... you're probably a racist. lol

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