Rebuilding the Redskins

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SouperMeister
12-11-2013, 03:29 PM
maybe #3 receiver (slot), but not a true #2 (garcon is a low end #1/ high end #2) ) . . . we would have to be able to sign/draft a #1/#2 in addition . . .I'll agree with that, since Garçon is really a #2 playing #1 for us.

donofriose
12-11-2013, 03:32 PM
maybe #3 receiver (slot), but not a true #2 (garcon is a low end #1/ high end #2) ) . . . we would have to be able to sign/draft a #1/#2 in addition . . .

I think receivers at this point should be a low priority for the Skins. Maybe you can get some depth at receiver in the later rounds of the draft or some cheap free agents.

Green Monk Machine
12-11-2013, 03:33 PM
I think the defensive roster is (still) far better suited to a 4-3.

LDE Kerrigan
DT Cofield/backup
DT Jenkins/Golston/Bowen rotating
RDE Orakpo

MLB Riley
SLB Jackson
WLB Tapp

Hall and Amerson at corners. One of Rambo/Merriweather/Jackson starts and we need a starter at the other safety spot.

Maybe bring in a FA over Tapp, but I definitely think Riley and Jackson can hold down the other two spots.

Depth is still and issue at many positions, but at least we're making the most of our assets. Rak especially will be a beast at RDE and Kerrigan is plenty stout enough to play LDE and create some pressure too.

The offense needs more help than defense in terms of adding players/talent. 3 or even 4 new olineman and at least another starting WR.


Yup. CHanging back to a 4-3 IMO would be less shopping in FA and just require rotating guys around and they'd have the versatility at DE to drop back and cover. The only FA's on Defense needed would be in the secondary.

At DT you forgot about Baker.

Slingin Sammy 33
12-11-2013, 03:39 PM
For specific players yes, but lets be honest its not too hard to tell which positions are lagging.Agreed, but what kind of players for the schemes is the key.

- OL, Run game, is it Smash-mouth or Zone. Will we be Quick-pass game or PA with 5-7 step drops.
- 4-3 vs. 3-4 makes a huge difference in the skill-sets targeted in the front 7
- Coverage, primarily Zone or Man. Man-off, or Press.
- WRs - Are we looking for quicker, Welker types or big, physical WRs

donofriose
12-11-2013, 03:40 PM
If the Skins moved to a 4-3 they would need at least 1 DE, even though they would also need depth, at least one new DT and depth at that position as well, two starting Outside Linebackers, and they would still need a lot of corners and new safeties. But if they did switch to a 4-3, they might end up being Minnesota... the 31st ranked defense in the NFL.

redskins5044
12-11-2013, 03:42 PM
I think the defensive roster is (still) far better suited to a 4-3.

LDE Kerrigan
DT Cofield/backup
DT Jenkins/Golston/Bowen rotating
RDE Orakpo

MLB Riley
SLB Jackson
WLB Tapp

.


Switching defenses might be better, but we would be asking Kerrigan and Orakpo to play a position they have never played in the NFL. Kerrigan might be able to, but Rak played LB in the 4-3 so too think he could move to end and be effective is very optismistic. who knows it could work maybe it would suit him better.

donofriose
12-11-2013, 03:46 PM
Switching defenses might be better, but we would be asking Kerrigan and Orakpo to play a position they have never played in the NFL. Kerrigan might be able to, but Rak played LB in the 4-3 so too think he could move to end and be effective is very optismistic. who knows it could work maybe it would suit him better.

Orakpo played DE in college like Rob Jackson/Ryan Kerrigan, he also played a lot of DE his rookie year. I think with the right coach he would be a good DE.

Chico23231
12-11-2013, 04:03 PM
Agreed, but what kind of players for the schemes is the key.

- OL, Run game, is it Smash-mouth or Zone. Will we be Quick-pass game or PA with 5-7 step drops.
- 4-3 vs. 3-4 makes a huge difference in the skill-sets targeted in the front 7
- Coverage, primarily Zone or Man. Man-off, or Press.
- WRs - Are we looking for quicker, Welker types or big, physical WRs

Looking at our team now, we need fundementally strong players with versitility. We need LBs and Safeties who can tackle. We need WRs that can catch. We need to get the basics down first, before we scheme. But I agree with what your saying and Im sure the new regime will looking who fits their mold, but lets get guys who have their primary skills down pat.

The Goat
12-11-2013, 04:19 PM
Yup. CHanging back to a 4-3 IMO would be less shopping in FA and just require rotating guys around and they'd have the versatility at DE to drop back and cover. The only FA's on Defense needed would be in the secondary.

At DT you forgot about Baker.



Thanks bro, I couldn't remember if Baker or Neild is more likely to return next year, but yeah should be a solid backup to Cofield or probably rotate in.


I don't anybody should assume the new coach will choose to blow up the defense the way Mike did, parting ways with solid guys on the roster and forcing a square peg into a round hole. A smart HC/DC will look at the defensive roster and (IMO) see the 4-3 is the better fit and go with it.


Looking at offense again, I strongly believe Helu needs to be on the field more, though not necessarily as a RB fulltime. Helu holds the Redskins record for catches in a game (from 2011 I believe), runs a 4.4 40 and has shown pretty remarkable athleticism in space. I think a smart coach will use him much like New England and San Diego use RBs, swinging them out as WRs, having them come out of the backfield a lot as pass catchers etc. Bottom line is Morris and Helu both a have much to offer and should be on the field at the same time.


Add a WR starter, a couple/few olineman and maximize the talent already on the roster like Helu and this offense is set to fly.


Fuck I hope RG doesn't sour on the franchise because of the Shanahans.

calia
12-11-2013, 05:19 PM
I think the first and most challenging job a new coach will have is getting the situation with RGIII back on track. On the one hand, he cannot look like he's bending to the star player's will. But on the other hand, he cannot come in like a complete hardass and pretend that the shitstorm that has been this season might not affect the guy. That's going to be a very, very difficult thing to do -- and to do it all while establishing relationships with a bunch of guys you probably don't know and with the intense media scrutiny that comes with coaching this team will make it all the more challenging.

Whoever comes in is going to have to demonstrate some real touch right out of the box, putting aside whatever other coaching skills will be needed.

But now I know what I want for Christmas....

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