NC_Skins
11-26-2013, 02:46 PM
I agree with all of this and will pass judgement on #7 in a couple of years.
Last year he was worth every penny, and I believe we will see it again next year. I am really disappointed in the staff's inability to train him properly even as the season has gone on. I get he rehabbed last offseason but why is he still making some of the same dumb mistakes.
Just want to clarify something. On #7, I put that down, not because I don't like RGIII or think he's a bust, but because that team lacked so much talent back then. I look at the talent on this OL and WR and see talent we missed out on because of missing draft picks. In fact, I'll remove that because it really isn't a "fuck up" per say.
HailGreen28
11-26-2013, 02:46 PM
I've said we had a "top 10" defense before Shanny and Haslett. Looked it up on nfl.com (example link (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go)):
2013(so far): #28 yds/g, #31 pts/g.
2012: #28 yds/g, #22 pts/g.
2011: #13 yds/g, #21 pts/g.
2010: #31 yds/g, #21 pts/g.
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2009: #23 yds/g, #18 pts/g.
2008: #4 yds/g, #6 pts/g.
2007: #8 yds/g, #11 pts/g.
2006: #31 yds/g, #27 pts/g.
2005: #9 yds/g, #9 pts/g.
It's a bit rosy colored to suggest we had a sure top 10 D the past few years, but changing our D is still the worst mistake Shanny's made. How much of this blame is the switch to the 3-4, and how much is Haslett, I dunno.
skinsfan69
11-26-2013, 02:48 PM
It has to be this trade. Two number one's and a second rounder? Now the number one pick is going to be a top 3 pick. Plus the player that we traded for may not be a good fit for the NFL game. This had disaster written all over it when they made the deal. However, I would like to know if Shanahan was 100% on board with the RG3 trade.
The 3-4 also has been a mess and that's 100% on Shanahan.
NC_Skins
11-26-2013, 02:51 PM
Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.
This is what I can't get with in terms of logic. Exactly who else was he supposed to get? Don't forget, his first year in the uncapped year, there was a lock down on Free Agents so he was limited, and year 2 was the lock out.
So who exactly should have have gotten?
KI Skins Fan
11-26-2013, 02:52 PM
I agree with all of this and will pass judgement on #7 in a couple of years.
Last year he was worth every penny, and I believe we will see it again next year. I am really disappointed in the staff's inability to train him properly even as the season has gone on. I get he rehabbed last offseason but why is he still making some of the same dumb mistakes.
Here's a pop quiz for you: Name the Redskins QB Coach. You don't know? I didn't think you could do it.
Add this to the list of Shanahan failures: The failure to hire quality assisstant coaches to "coach up" the players.
HailGreen28
11-26-2013, 03:00 PM
I wonder how many more people would think the RGIII trade was bad when they realize we gave up 3 first rounders and a second rounder to draft him.
I also wonder how many of the same people loved the trade last season.
Full disclosure: I hated the trade when it happened, and thought getting Matt Flynn and keeping our picks was a better option. And changed my mind and loved the trade last season. So what do I know? :rolleyes:
NC_Skins
11-26-2013, 03:01 PM
Gimme a break! Everyone and I mean everyone was onboard with the move to get RG3.
I wouldn't say that. There were some that were neither for nor against the move all together. I loved RGIII as a prospect, but I was very cautious about giving that much up for a team that needed so much. I'll still say that even if he turns out to be a HoFer. Also, you can look at my post history and verify this as well. It's not that I didn't think RGIII wasn't worth what we gave up, but that we weren't in the shape to give up that much. Once the trade is done though, there is no sense of worrying about what was given up though. It's a gamble, one that could pay off or set us back. That is still to be determined.
Chico23231
11-26-2013, 03:07 PM
The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.
Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.
Blantant attempt to finally get a franchise QB. Right, thats the cost unfortunately.
I've never seen the 3-4 as the problem, just the players and coach running it.
The legendary top 10 4-3 we had was old and lacked playmakers and needed an overhaul anyway.
As far as the trade that everyone is knocking now don't forget that the cap penalty came afterwards. Gotta think that trade doesn't happen if they knew the cap hit was coming.
GTripp0012
11-26-2013, 03:16 PM
Blantant attempt to finally get a franchise QB. Right, thats the cost unfortunately.It wasn't the cost for any other franchise in history. Just this one.