Another school Shooting Nevada

Man opens fire at LAX security checkpoint - NBC12.com - Richmond, VA News (http://www.nbc12.com/story/23851998/suspected-lax-shooter-identified-tsa-agent-dead)

not gonna stop

CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, this should be further evidence that more restrictive gun laws won't stop a determined maniac. Friends, family and society need to take a greater role in making it safer.

On another note, Banksy may be the best artist of our time.

Once again you failed to read your own link.

I read it and, unlike you, understand the underlying numbers.

For example, you overlooked this bit: "Firearm deaths in Switzerland take place at just one-seventh the rate that they occur in the United States."

The Swiss (and a majority of other gun-toting countries) don't have our pervasive gang problem, where the 'children' are included in the gun crime rates.

So it's only 1/7 the death rate in Switzerland compared to the USA, rather than the 1/10 number listed by the other report for other countries. Either way, those data are clear: the United States has gun violence problem far exceeding that of other prosperous countries.

See above.

The inclusion of the 15-19 age group in the other report simply makes it complete.

Nonsense, it makes for hysteria, which is what the media and anti-freedom, anti-gun groups want

It would be poor science to leave out statistics regarding an age group simply because they are inconvenient for your belief.

Or you could be honest and recognize that this age group completely skews the data.

Besides, inclusion of the 15-19 age group does absolutely nothing to change this passage, which you continue to ignore:
"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."

Interestingly, breaking out the data of gun deaths of the 5-14 year olds is remarkably difficult, wich would suggest that we can probably discount the amount up to 12 year olds.

So either you are in denial or you won't admit that your view is wrong. Either way, until you argue in good faith you are pointless as a conversation partner.

Try to be honest, Lotus. Can you reasonably compare the intention that a young teen has to commit an act of violence with a handgun to that of a 5 year old?

There's no way I'd state that a 5 year old has never been harmed with a gun, I'm sure it's happened. But to make it sound like it's an epidemic is dishonest scaremongering.

The numbers are being deliberately distorted by the inclusion of gang-related gun crime. We can't have an honest discussion if the numbers are not accurately stated.

RR,

Typing on my phone so please excuse any spelling, etc.

1. Saying a state or city have restrictive gun laws is silly. It's very easy to go to a neighboring state and buy a gun and bring it back home. Unless we have uniform laws that is a flimsy argument.

2. Banksy is our beat artist. He is amazing.

3. Look at the swiss. Plenty of guns, hard to get bullets. Bullets are closely guarded and are typically purchased and used just at the range.

CA has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, this should be further evidence that more restrictive gun laws won't stop a determined maniac. Friends, family and society need to take a greater role in making it safer.

On another note, Banksy may be the best artist of our time.

Banksy is amazing. Think I'm going to NYC the weekend after Christmas, hopefully they I can see some pieces. The hustler club piece is amazing. My sis live in the upper east side she seen a couple. Can't wait to be smoking skunk in NYC checking out Banksy works.

RR,

Typing on my phone so please excuse any spelling, etc.

Me too!

1 . Saying a state or city have restrictive gun laws is silly. It's very easy to go to a neighboring state and buy a gun and bring it back home. Unless we have uniform laws that is a flimsy argument.

Then why are some people suggesting that more restrictive gun laws would help? Even uniform laws, given the availability across the border of illicit firearms and ammunition, make any law questionable.

2. Banksy is our beat artist. He is amazing.

I saw an exhibit of his stuff at LACMA, my favorite is the Rodney King piñata picture.

3. Look at the swiss. Plenty of guns, hard to get bullets. Bullets are closely guarded and are typically purchased and used just at the range.

Except if you REALLY want ammunition you go to Eastern Europe. There's always a way.

People need to be more supportive and caring.

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You did not read your own link clearly. For example, you missed this important tidbit:
"For children 5 to 14 years of age, firearm suicide rates were 8 times higher, and death rates from unintentional firearm injuries were 10 times higher in the United States than other high-income countries. The difference in rates may be related to the ease of availability of guns in the United States compared with other high-income countries."

That's pretty damning stuff for the gun status quo.

The 15-19 age group was just one age group discussed in the link you posted, which was just one source of the report cited above. The report cited above stands.

When you start talking about children accessing guns in their own household, I'm sorry but how is that in anyway my problem. If someone can't do their due diligence and store their guns properly then society as a whole has to pay the price? That's a terrible argument in my opinion.

If you want to talk about tougher restrictions to buying firearms, like longer waiting periods or more extensive background checks, I'm all ears. Telling me my right to own a firearm should be restricted cause some idiot can't teach their children about gun safety is asinine.

And I completely agree on Banksy, love his stuff.

When you start talking about children accessing guns in their own household, I'm sorry but how is that in anyway my problem. If someone can't do their due diligence and store their guns properly then society as a whole has to pay the price? That's a terrible argument in my opinion.

If you want to talk about tougher restrictions to buying firearms, like longer waiting periods or more extensive background checks, I'm all ears. Telling me my right to own a firearm should be restricted cause some idiot can't teach their children about gun safety is asinine.

And I completely agree on Banksy, love his stuff.

We have ten times the death rate for kids under 14 from guns than other prosperous countries. Ten times. There's obviously more going on than just people who can't store their guns correctly.

When you start talking about children accessing guns in their own household, I'm sorry but how is that in anyway my problem. If someone can't do their due diligence and store their guns properly then society as a whole has to pay the price? That's a terrible argument in my opinion.

If you want to talk about tougher restrictions to buying firearms, like longer waiting periods or more extensive background checks, I'm all ears. Telling me my right to own a firearm should be restricted cause some idiot can't teach their children about gun safety is asinine.

And I completely agree on Banksy, love his stuff.

Most guns used by kids don't come from the parents.

We have ten times the death rate for kids under 14 from guns than other prosperous countries. Ten times. There's obviously more going on than just people who can't store their guns correctly.

Your right. We have a population that is having kids and not giving a shit what they are doing, who they are doing it with, etc... I'm sorry when I here abbout a 14 yr old getting shot on a Tuesday Night at 1:00am my first thought is where the hell are the parents? Why is the kid out so late on a school night? Until we change the culture nothing will change. This even carries over to why we spend more on education and still falling behind.

We have ten times the death rate for kids under 14 from guns than other prosperous countries. Ten times. There's obviously more going on than just people who can't store their guns correctly.

Gang culture, as I said earlier. It's a deliberate falsehood to treat this as if we have gun-toting 5 year olds roaming free.

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