Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

Agreed Punch.

What a sad state of affairs when discussions become about "why" we are lousy. Lets beat the dumb birds tomorrow and take it from there.
HTTR

Agreed. That way gtripp n goat will be gone for another week. Lol

Funny thing about this assessment is you most likely made this same type of opinionated responses in 2009 comparing the 2005 team. LolThat doesn't make any sense.

If another coach, you think 2009 was a playoff team?

You know, you really got me thinking about the context of 2009 defense and Ill probably more inclined to agree than before. Its not just RG3, but I think the top end talent on the Offense is head and shoulders above, I really strongly believe that. I really think we add 2 WR to this team and back to wow factor quickly. Easier said than done.

I think the most disappointing thing is you made me think about our Dline...really underachieving imo. Thats a good point.Um, probably not a playoff team. 8 or 9 wins was pretty reasonable though. Think Dallas and Philly both went 11-5 that year though.

Tripp do you not think Garcon is as good as I do? Last year when he played we won. When he didnt we lost. This year he is aces. I agree with your assessment of 09 vs 13 minus two things. JAson Campbell sucked. I cant even mention him in the same breath as Griff. Also our wr core is better now solely due to Garcon. Dude is a stud.Garcon is not a top 30 receiver in the NFL. But he does offer a lot to an offense, so he's a valuable player. He's a no. 2 on most teams.

Point was, Campbell 2009 > Griffin 2013. But because of Griffin's 2012, he's very much immune from criticism at the moment. It's probably for the best, IMO.

Really? Because his numbers show different

Really? Because his numbers show differentNot numbers that I look at.

On a side note.....really really rooting for Jason Campbell to lead Clev to the playoffs.

Garcon is not a top 30 receiver in the NFL. But he does offer a lot to an offense, so he's a valuable player. He's a no. 2 on most teams.

Point was, Campbell 2009 > Griffin 2013. But because of Griffin's 2012, he's very much immune from criticism at the moment. It's probably for the best, IMO.

Garçon not a top 30 receiver? Yeah I'm gonna disagree with that too. Amazing year especially since no other receivers on the field to take any pressure off him.

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Garcon is not a top 30 receiver in the NFL. But he does offer a lot to an offense, so he's a valuable player. He's a no. 2 on most teams.

Point was, Campbell 2009 > Griffin 2013. But because of Griffin's 2012, he's very much immune from criticism at the moment. It's probably for the best, IMO.

You have great insight into the game and i mean that. BUT......
JC in any year < RG-3 in any year.
Garcon is a top 12-15 wr easy.