Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?


The Goat
10-15-2013, 06:37 PM
No, he's not. Helu has terrible field vision, no patience and below average balance as a runner.

C'mon man. In space Helu is excellent and has that 2nd gear unlike most of our weapons. He's not a power back but to say he's terrible.

...I see way more positive out there than most of you guys and I get labeled the pessimist. What the deuce?

30gut
10-15-2013, 06:41 PM
Tom Clements
Pete Carmichael
Phillip Montgomery as OC or QB Coach or WR Coach

Skinzman
10-15-2013, 06:52 PM
C'mon man. In space Helu is excellent and has that 2nd gear unlike most of our weapons. He's not a power back but to say he's terrible.

...I see way more positive out there than most of you guys and I get labeled the pessimist. What the deuce?

Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.

Hog1
10-15-2013, 07:21 PM
Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.
..............Ruh Roh, somebody looked behind the screen

The Goat
10-15-2013, 07:50 PM
Because you are seeing the positives... now... as a way to say its bad coaching. Most of last year, you were saying the talent was bad as a way to say Shanny needs to be fired due to being a terrible GM. You went from we have terrible players to we have a very talented team without any additions from last year to this year due to cap space. Its nothing more than trying to do the Fire Shanny routine while changing tactics, and going against what you had previously said.

Roy Helu is no Reggie Bush, which im pretty sure you already know. He is a third down back. He is primarily going to be used on check downs or the occasional wheel route. To get those types of numbers means benching Alfred Morris, which I consider a mistake. He is the workhorse of the group, and it should stay that way.

You make some good points, the receivers ending up in the same spots to name one. But its this complete changes of opinions that go against what you previously said that has people rolling their eyes.

I've been pretty consistent about both things. Here's a post from last year:

Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.

I said our talent was in line with the 2nd half of the season. You may not be able to comprehend nuance though, at least that's been your MO so far.

Skinzman
10-15-2013, 08:10 PM
I've been pretty consistent about both things. Here's a post from last year:

Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.

I said our talent was in line with the 2nd half of the season. You may not be able to comprehend nuance though, at least that's been your MO so far.

The very first line is exactly what im saying. One time its bad coaching with talent to succeed, the next is a terrible GM and no talent. You said not enough talent early last year. Thats exactly what im saying. Being consistent about both things dont match, its impossible for those to match. There is no nuance there. Its changing of opinions based on the "Fire Shanny" rant of the day.

SmootSmack
10-15-2013, 08:17 PM
Tom Clements
Pete Carmichael
Phillip Montgomery as OC or QB Coach or WR Coach

I like Carmichael. Have heard not so great things about Clements. Think Monty is being overlooked

CrustyRedskin
10-15-2013, 08:31 PM
Ken Wisenhunt should get another shot.

VTSkins1961
10-15-2013, 10:40 PM
If we lose out ( I hope we don't) Shanahan and crew should be canned (I would can him if we do not finish 8-8). Not sure who we should be in as a head coach but I would go to a 4-3 defense. People will say we don't have the personal but we are very close - Rak & Kerrigan DE's Colfield< Baker and Jenkins, Nield DT. Still have Bowen DE, Golston (could play both DE and DT). Jackson OLB 0 Riley, B Jenkins, (Fletcher retired) MLB. CB"S & Safites - need to be addressed.

redskins5044
10-15-2013, 11:04 PM
If we lose out ( I hope we don't) Shanahan and crew should be canned (I would can him if we do not finish 8-8). Not sure who we should be in as a head coach but I would go to a 4-3 defense. People will say we don't have the personal but we are very close - Rak & Kerrigan DE's Colfield< Baker and Jenkins, Nield DT. Still have Bowen DE, Golston (could play both DE and DT). Jackson OLB 0 Riley, B Jenkins, (Fletcher retired) MLB. CB"S & Safites - need to be addressed.

That's all fine if they fire the coaches and bring in a new staff, but Rak hasn't played DE in the NFL. He was moved to LB when we played the 4-3, he isn't a very good pass rusher either way. Kerrigan is a good overall LB and wouldn't change that with moving him. I can see Rak leaving this offseason and take a Carlos or Laron one year deal to prove himself.

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