So... The Government is Shut Down...

here is a cnn "fact check" about the law,

Fact Check: Is Obamacare unpopular? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/27/fact-check-is-obamacare-unpopular/?iref=obinsite)

and mostly to the point that I am saying is that this isn't a law which has high percentage buy in, and while, yes it has passed the process, there are alot of US citizens who feel that this law is not what they want, and the president should acknowledge that nearly half the country has issues with this law. To me, a president who started by saying he was going to unite the country, ought to give credence to that, and resolve to find a way that brings unity, not division to the country. (and that does go for the republican side who refuses to see a need for some reform to be done when nearly 50% support this law)

My friend, democracy works through votes, not opinion polls. And the votes say that the ACA is a law. Congress is required to act accordingly.

Again, I am no great fan of the ACA (as I would have been happy to tell any pollster, should they ask). But I am also not a fan of a small minority of Congressmen scuttling the government simply because there is a law that they don't like. We all live by laws we don't like - that's democracy.

Democracy works through votes, not opinion polls or infantile Tea Party temper tantrums.

Because of the shutdown, Germany and the UK issue travel advisories. The shutdown is costing us tourist $$$.

US govt shutdown: Germany, UK issue 'travel warning' to America, Obama cancels Asia trip - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-govt-shutdown-Germany-UK-issue-travel-warning-to-America-Obama-cancels-Asia-trip/articleshow/23435559.cms)

Well I certainly didn't think about this possibility:

@SarcasticRover: What kind of government puts hundreds of rocket scientists and roboticists out of work?! ARE THEY TRYING TO CREATE SUPER-VILLAINS?

The shutdown threatens WIC payments to poor mothers and kids.
Shutdown puts WIC food program for vulnerable mothers at risk (http://news.yahoo.com/shutdown-puts-wic-food-program-for-vulnerable-mothers-at-risk-144731187.html)

But at least Ted Cruz doesn't have to live with a law he doesn't like, so it's worth it. :(

The shutdown also threatens the recovery in the housing market:
Extended government shutdown would pinch housing recovery (http://news.yahoo.com/extended-government-shutdown-pinch-housing-recovery-213747653--sector.html)

But at least John Boehner doesn't have to live with a law he doesn't like, so it's worth it. :(

The ACA is a terrible law. Further, it is a terrible law of the worst kind in that its costly ill-effects won't be felt until it is too soundly entrenched as policy to be repealed or radically altered.

- It does not address the underlying "brokenness" of health care in the country that drive costs up (costs not reflective/responsive to market forces on either the supply or demand side; inadequate regulation of malpractice and the litigation resulting from it)

- Within 30-40 years, eliminate employer health-care and replace it with subsidies for the insurance exchange which will provide less actual coverage (~my employer pays $100/mo. towards my family health coverage, I pay an additional $200 - for that I get top shelf care for my family. Once the inevitable happens and we are kicked into the insurance exchanges, my employer may offer a subsidy of $250 but my level of care will be substantially reduced).

- As the insurance exchanges become the single source of insurance and, because it uses the same pricing model that existed prior to the ACA, costs will continue to rise but be displaced from individual choice and, instead, be funded by the Federal budget. It will become the largest "entitlement" payments paid out by the Federal govt. - dwarfing medicare & social security.

BUT ... the sheeple voted for it. It is law. A horrible, terrible law and an indictment of Obama and the Democratic party - still a law. It is Congress reponsibility to pass the funding mechanisms. The delay sought by the Republicans is meaningless given the scope of ACA, brings unnecessary pain and suffering to many, is costly and may cause long term structural damage to the economy.

You lost. You failed to propose an alternative plan. You cannot repeal the law through your current actions and are likely only garnering it support. You are causing harm to individuals and the country as a whole.

Pass the f'ing budget.

If you are serious about the ACA (and I hope you are), develop an alternative plan not beholden to National Association of Trial Lawyers, the Insurance Industry and pharmaceutical companies. Such a plan would require creative thinking, radical changes to the existing system and bold leadership. I guess I don't think you have it in you.

I hate sheeple. I hate the entrenched political system. I weep for my children's future.

The ACA is a terrible law. Further, it is a terrible law of the worst kind in that its costly ill-effects won't be felt until it is too soundly entrenched as policy to be repealed or radically altered.

- It does not address the underlying "brokenness" of health care in the country that drive costs up (costs not reflective/responsive to market forces on either the supply or demand side; inadequate regulation of malpractice and the litigation resulting from it)

- Within 30-40 years, eliminate employer health-care and replace it with subsidies for the insurance exchange which will provide less actual coverage (~my employer pays $100/mo. towards my family health coverage, I pay an additional $200 - for that I get top shelf care for my family. Once the inevitable happens and we are kicked into the insurance exchanges, my employer may offer a subsidy of $250 but my level of care will be substantially reduced).

- As the insurance exchanges become the single source of insurance and, because it uses the same pricing model that existed prior to the ACA, costs will continue to rise but be displaced from individual choice and, instead, be funded by the Federal budget. It will become the largest "entitlement" payments paid out by the Federal govt. - dwarfing medicare & social security.

BUT ... the sheeple voted for it. It is law. A horrible, terrible law and an indictment of Obama and the Democratic party - still a law. It is Congress reponsibility to pass the funding mechanisms. The delay sought by the Republicans is meaningless given the scope of ACA, brings unnecessary pain and suffering to many, is costly and may cause long term structural damage to the economy.

You lost. You failed to propose an alternative plan. You cannot repeal the law through your current actions and are likely only garnering it support. You are causing harm to individuals and the country as a whole.

Pass the f'ing budget.

If you are serious about the ACA (and I hope you are), develop an alternative plan not beholden to National Association of Trial Lawyers, the Insurance Industry and pharmaceutical companies. Such a plan would require creative thinking, radical changes to the existing system and bold leadership. I guess I don't think you have it in you.

I hate sheeple. I hate the entrenched political system. I weep for my children's future.

Well said, Joe.

Although personally I do not view the ACA quite as darkly as you do, we are in essential agreement.

I'm sick of people acting in entitled ways as they moan about "entitlements."

The ACA is a terrible law. Further, it is a terrible law of the worst kind in that its costly ill-effects won't be felt until it is too soundly entrenched as policy to be repealed or radically altered.

- It does not address the underlying "brokenness" of health care in the country that drive costs up (costs not reflective/responsive to market forces on either the supply or demand side; inadequate regulation of malpractice and the litigation resulting from it)

- Within 30-40 years, eliminate employer health-care and replace it with subsidies for the insurance exchange which will provide less actual coverage (~my employer pays $100/mo. towards my family health coverage, I pay an additional $200 - for that I get top shelf care for my family. Once the inevitable happens and we are kicked into the insurance exchanges, my employer may offer a subsidy of $250 but my level of care will be substantially reduced).

- As the insurance exchanges become the single source of insurance and, because it uses the same pricing model that existed prior to the ACA, costs will continue to rise but be displaced from individual choice and, instead, be funded by the Federal budget. It will become the largest "entitlement" payments paid out by the Federal govt. - dwarfing medicare & social security.

BUT ... the sheeple voted for it. It is law. A horrible, terrible law and an indictment of Obama and the Democratic party - still a law. It is Congress reponsibility to pass the funding mechanisms. The delay sought by the Republicans is meaningless given the scope of ACA, brings unnecessary pain and suffering to many, is costly and may cause long term structural damage to the economy.

You lost. You failed to propose an alternative plan. You cannot repeal the law through your current actions and are likely only garnering it support. You are causing harm to individuals and the country as a whole.

Pass the f'ing budget.

If you are serious about the ACA (and I hope you are), develop an alternative plan not beholden to National Association of Trial Lawyers, the Insurance Industry and pharmaceutical companies. Such a plan would require creative thinking, radical changes to the existing system and bold leadership. I guess I don't think you have it in you.

I hate sheeple. I hate the entrenched political system. I weep for my children's future.

Your correct and its why they must fight it now and not wait. What damage a shut down might do is very minor compared to what OBC will have on us.

You say your emp. pays $100 and you pay $200 a month for your health ins.? That sounds very low are sure about those numbers?

This is who we're dealing with.



Obamacare Hotline's number is REALLY 1-800-FU**YO.

You can't make this crap up. I checked it on my phone, it's true.


Need health care coverage? Just dial 1-800-F**KYO to reach Obamacare’s national hotline | The Daily Caller (http://tinyurl.com/l5au9fu)

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Right on Healthcare.gov site...preserved before they change it.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/kajwia.jpg

I hope that Hurricane Karen does to my neck of the woods what Katrina and Sandy did, but this time with the government shut down. That'd be great!

In other news, a Republican senator says that Ted Cruz has no plan, that the shutdown is all about him:
Report: Cruz Grilled By Angry GOP Colleagues In Closed-Door Meeting (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-cruz-blasted-by-angry-gop-colleagues-in-closed-door-meeting)

And in related news, Democrat says GOP is waging Jihad.


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