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The Goat
10-07-2013, 05:46 PM
Why is Gruden regarded as some guru? Did everybody just happen to erase the Bucs record and drafting after the SB? He had one season over 10 wins after the SB win, and that was coming in a division that sucked at the time.

I think it's because he had success quite young. Another reason is his constant high energy and charisma. Like it or not games (especially close ones) are often won or lost on effort and inspiration. Guys like Gruden, Pete Carroll, the Chin and Sean Peyton just to make a short list, who are totally engaged and even psyched on the sidelines seem to consistently get great performances from their players.

But your point Gruden isn't a great roster builder is pretty accurate, at least historically. Thing is, that's true of a lot of SB winning coaches i.e. they walk into a situation with a lot of the pieces, namely QB, already in place to be successful. I think it's a pretty rare brain who can both team build and coach at a championship level, withstanding the test of time.

SolidSnake84
10-07-2013, 10:45 PM
I like Jon Gruden but i didn't like the way he disrespected Jeff Garcia in 2008 when he benched him for Brian Griese because of something behind the scenes. Griese sucked and it was only when the team went like 0-3 with Griese that Gruden went back to Jeff Garcia, who still took the team to the playoffs...

CultBrennan59
10-08-2013, 12:05 AM
Gruden with the Raiders; Very good.

Gruden with the Bucs; average at best. The super bowl he won was with all of Dungy's players, and against the team he had just coached of course he knew their tendencies.

Gruden is a decent coach in my opinion.

SmootSmack
10-08-2013, 12:09 AM
Y'all are worrying about the wrong Gruden

skinsfan69
10-08-2013, 12:23 AM
Y'all are worrying about the wrong Gruden

So Jay is on the Redskins radar?

The Goat
10-08-2013, 12:25 AM
Y'all are worrying about the wrong Gruden

You're such a gdamn tease with this stuff.

SmootSmack
10-08-2013, 12:28 AM
You're such a gdamn tease with this stuff.

It's what I do

CultBrennan59
10-08-2013, 12:29 AM
Y'all are worrying about the wrong Gruden

Hey, Jay Gruden is a hell of an OC.

I really thought Trestmann would be a good HC and so far, so good.

SmootSmack
10-08-2013, 12:44 AM
Hey, Jay Gruden is a hell of an OC.

I really thought Trestmann would be a good HC and so far, so good.

I'm kind of eh on J. Gruden

I've known Trestman for years, big fan of his.

Funny story about him and the Redskins....

CrustyRedskin
10-08-2013, 09:56 AM
I'm kind of eh on J. Gruden

I've known Trestman for years, big fan of his.

Funny story about him and the Redskins....

Which is??

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