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KLHJ2 03-16-2005, 09:17 PM For all of you nay sayers out there, Gibb's did adjust the offense. It was just towards the end of the season when he did it (last 6 games). It was not necessarily his plays that were a problem at the end of the season either. He likes to pull 2 players from the weak side to the strong side to block on runs. That is the basis for his running game. He decided early in the season that pulling two wasn't working so he started pulling only one. The irony was that while this wasn't working for Gibb's during the season, it was working for other teams. Watching NFL playbook this offseason I was able to see that other teams were having success pulling two, particularly when the Patriots did it against the Steelers in the playoffs. So it is not Gibb's or his system. He already addressed the need to get more vertical, and that will eventually open up the running game. If you ask me we needed to solidify an offensive line that was better at pass protection than run blocking. I believe that he has done that this offseason. So lets see where this goes before doubting a man that has already stated that it was going to take some time to reestablish the skins as a threat in the NFL. He had to start from scratch with the team that Steeve had almost built. In closing give him time, get off his back, and lets see where the man can take the Skins. I have full confidence that we will not be disappointed.
Daseal 03-16-2005, 09:22 PM Spurrier brought in a lot of great players.
That said, teams like the Patriots and Steelers don't completely handcuff their offense by thinking a turnover is the end of the world. NE especially likes to throw the ball. We'll see what happens this year, will he actually make good on his promises to open it up?
KLHJ2 03-16-2005, 09:32 PM True Spurrier brought in several good players, but they were players for his system. Remember that Spurrier did get rid of Stephen Davis, who I think would have played well under Gibb's.
As far as your second statement, a coach has to get comfortable with his players' abilities as well as players have to get comfortable with the coach. This past season proved that a turnover could be the end of the road for that team. I also said that Gibb's did open it up a little towards the end of the season. I think that is something to build on. I am in agreeance that I hope that he keeps to his word. The thing to remember is that we are not getting paid to be the coach, he is. His resume is a hell of a lot more impressive than mine or yours.
jrocx69 03-16-2005, 09:37 PM Spurrier brought in a lot of great players.
That said, teams like the Patriots and Steelers don't completely handcuff their offense by thinking a turnover is the end of the world. NE especially likes to throw the ball. We'll see what happens this year, will he actually make good on his promises to open it up?
"great"... :confused:
BrudLee 03-16-2005, 09:38 PM True Spurrier brought in several good players, but they were players for his system. Remember that Spurrier did get rid of Stephen Davis, who I think would have played well under Gibb's.
As far as your second statement, a coach has to get comfortable with his players' abilities as well as players have to get comfortable with the coach. This past season proved that a turnover could be the end of the road for that team. I also said that Gibb's did open it up a little towards the end of the season. I think that is something to build on. I am in agreeance that I hope that he keeps to his word. The thing to remember is that we are not getting paid to be the coach, he is. His resume is a hell of a lot more impressive than mine or yours.
I'd like to call a moratorium on Stephen Davis "what-if's". Though a productive runner for Washington, he is now a 31 year old who still hasn't had an injury free season, and in fact is coming off of a serious injury. Though I wish him no ill will, I sincerely doubt we will see him among the league leaders again. The decision to let him leave, painful though it was, was correct.
Daseal 03-16-2005, 09:42 PM As I've said - Gibbs has three years to get his offense going. That gives him time to get his boys here, and time to impliment the system. If he still has this type of offense then, will you still defend him so staunchly?
KLHJ2 03-16-2005, 09:50 PM As I've said - Gibbs has three years to get his offense going. That gives him time to get his boys here, and time to impliment the system. If he still has this type of offense then, will you still defend him so staunchly?
Yes, because while I may be a hero to some, Gibb's is mine. I hope that when I am old and the Army forrces me to retire that there are still those who believe in me and my abilities.
monk81 03-16-2005, 10:06 PM As I've said - Gibbs has three years to get his offense going. That gives him time to get his boys here, and time to impliment the system. If he still has this type of offense then, will you still defend him so staunchly?
Gibbs is a smart man. Do you think he would stick with the same plan if it was ineffective. This is a man that was successful not only in the NFL, but in NASCAR as well. I don't think Gibbs is going to continue "this type of offense" which we saw in the beginning of the season, it's going to be better, Gibbs started to open the offense towards the end of the season, specially when Ramsey got the starting job. We will have a better offensive line (additions of Rabach and a healthy Jon Jansen), Ramsey having a chance to go through a full training camp and preseason to get familiar with Joe's plans. We will have some steady receivers, which may be further upgraded if we draft Williams, and if Portis learns patience and to wait for his blockers our running game should improve as well. And I will staunchly defend Joe Gibbs. :headbange
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 03-16-2005, 10:06 PM I'm going to break the moratorium on talking about Davis - sorry BrudLee.
Letting Davis go was a good move. First, Davis was set to have a $9.5 million cap figure when he was released. Second, Davis didn't fit Spurrier's scheme. Third, Davis was old. Fourth, the guy isn't exactly durable - he spent basically all of last season and his latest injury has been deemed career threatening.
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