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scowan 11-01-2013, 12:12 PM Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"
Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.
If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.
punch it in 11-01-2013, 12:29 PM :doh:
Are You Ready For Some Controversy? The History Of 'Redskin' : Code Switch : NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/09/09/220654611/are-you-ready-for-some-controversy-the-history-of-redskin)
There are several different theories and accounts about where the term came from. Nowhere is it definitively stated that the new foundland tribe who painted their bodies red is the true origin. Not to mention, that settlers referring to native americans as "redskins", and this tribe referred to as the "red men" are two completely different things.
Chico23231 11-01-2013, 12:37 PM Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.
If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.
Im of Irish heritage who wants to start the campaign to rid Notre Dame of the Fighting Irish mascot and name? It holds a negative connotation. Im offended.
Nice post scowan.
Lotus 11-01-2013, 12:48 PM Smoot, exactly. Right now there are a lot of Minority groups that want to take away "stuff" from those in the majority. It seems to all be in the name of "fairness" or "equality" or whatever they want to call it. (In this case they are using the "I'm Offended" card.) The Majority should not have to cater to the Minority on everything. Especially private business related things. If the name Redskins offend you, then don't buy their merchandise or go to their games. Its entertainment. Maybe a theater show about homosexuals offends me,... easy enough solution, I won't attend. Do I think other people shouldn't attend? That's not for me to decide or take away from them.
If I want to go see a stand up comic who cusses with every other word and that offends you, then don't go. But don't take away my right to go.
To be fair, Native Americans are not exactly like other minority groups. Other minority groups did not suffer having strangers show up, take their land away, and then enact government policies designed specifically to kill their cultures. The Native American experience is different from that of other minorities.
This was posted before but it's worth posting again
Redskins name change not as easy as it sounds - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9689220/redskins-name-change-not-easy-sounds)
Pretty much sums up my views on the subject.
DynamiteRave 11-01-2013, 01:28 PM To be fair, Native Americans are not exactly like other minority groups. Other minority groups did not suffer having strangers show up, take their land away, and then enact government policies designed specifically to kill their cultures. The Native American experience is different from that of other minorities.
I don't support the name change but, to add on what you're saying, an estimated 50 million to 100 million Native Americans were wiped out by the European colonization. Thanks, smallpox!
But I'd say that's a... pretty good reason to be butthurt.
skinsguy 11-01-2013, 01:30 PM Agree, but at the same time there are a lot of people who support keeping the name who are making it about "me". "I don't care that you feel it offends your heritage, this is my football team, my team colors, my team history. Why are you taking that away from me?"
I can understand that in a way though. Hey, for a lot of us, there are great childhood memories associated with this team - especially a lot of us who grew up in the 80's. Changing the name almost feels as if we're erasing all of that history. Does it sound selfish? Absolutely. Is it wrong to think in those terms? Not at all. There's always this notion that words, over time, can bring about negative connotation, but nobody believes it can ever possibly be the other way around. I don't get that? Who made up that rule?
Chico23231 11-01-2013, 01:31 PM I don't support the name change but, to add on what you're saying, an estimated 50 million to 100 million Native Americans were wiped out by the European colonization. Thanks, smallpox!
But I'd say that's a... pretty good reason to be butthurt.
yall are right, you know we should leave. Hello Canada!
punch it in 11-01-2013, 02:02 PM When Canadians travel abroad they like to represent their country in say the form of patches, etc on their backpacks. They want to be distinguished from Americans. Lol
Lets go to Mexico instead, plus the weather is nicer.
Cue James Taylor....
Lotus 11-01-2013, 02:11 PM yall are right, you know we should leave. Hello Canada!
I didn't mean that we should take it that far. But perhaps we should recognize that they might have a right to be upset and touchy about some things which for anyone else would just be whining.
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