Lenny P: Coles' toe still a concern?

We'll see about the toe, the system, etc.

I just hope Santana stays healthy. That guy can fly when he's healthy, but he hasn't been that durable either.

We'll see about the toe, the system, etc.

I just hope Santana stays healthy. That guy can fly when he's healthy, but he hasn't been that durable either.

It wasn't just the toe. The play calling, keeping QB Brunnell in there, adjusting to Portis and not a power back, not having a complete OL without Jansen, and then the switch to PRam, may have all contributed!

This is what totally confuses me. Joe Gibbs was a offensive genius in his first stint. Everyone wants portray him as having a grind it out type offense back then which isn't really true. They threw downfield often but they used the grind it out type of plays to control leads.
I have got to think that he didn't just forget that. The play calling last year was remarkably bland and conservative but why? Was it becasue he had lost it or was it because he thought it was the best way to go. I'd say he probably evaluated the talent and the injury situation and thought they didn't have the parts to make a downfield game work. I know everyone here was frustrated with it but none of us have a super bowl ring and he happens to have three. I am gonna side with him on this. As for his own contentions that they needed to open it up I think those comments were based on several factors including a desire to placate fans and a desire to show the players he could adjust. They did in fact go downfield somewhat more but with little success. In the end how was he going to switch from what he obviously thought was the best plan possible?
The best sign of his belief that we didn't have the tools is the way they have gone about rebuilding the WR corp. I think maybe now he feels he can open it for real. As for last year he did what he thought was best and he KNOWS he is doing. I guess I just an eternal optimist with our ole boy Gibbs. There is only one thing that should be addressed when talking about our offense. The subpar play at the QB position. PAtrick came in to late and still is just getting a understanding of this offense versus the let the QB be killed mentality of Spurrier. It takes time to understand protection schemes and build a repoire of your coach and players. Our QB's both sucked last year with Patrick being better then the money man they brought in. Just remeber they were competative in every game last year except for the Giants game. This is quite a change to the previous coaching staffs who let their team give up. He is a genius when it comes to coaching and mangaging players. Andy Reid is a offesnive genius but Gibbs is a team genius, so be calm and wait for the storm, cause when it hits you will go wild.

People a O runs on the line!!! I don't care who is calling the playes or at QB,WR or RB for the most part! If the guys up frount do not do the job it is hell getting anything done! If the line is donig it's job then the play calling and QB come in to play! RB next then the WR's. If the line is kicking someones ass on the run and keeping the QB safe to pass we should do well! Last years line didn't do that very well and killed themselfs with flags or the O couldn't get plays of in time! I hope with a new Center and Jansen back alond with a good draft for back ups this will get better!

It wasn't just the toe. The play calling, keeping QB Brunnell in there, adjusting to Portis and not a power back, not having a complete OL without Jansen, and then the switch to PRam, may have all contributed!

My thoughts exactly. There were a lot of issues. There were also a lot of dropped balls.

I didn't expect Gibbs to walk into town and have overnight success. I also am quite aware of what Gibbs did for this team, franchise, and town. I also appreciate that the guy knows a hell of a lot more about the game than all of us combined. Finally, I think he'll get the job done.

However, I'm not just going to give the guy a free pass; that would make this site incredibly boring and ignore reality. Gibbs, like anyone else of equal talent, makes mistakes. To say his mistakes are outweighed by his attributes and we'll be fine in the long run is one thing. To completely ignore his mistakes is totally different.

I can't defend the playcalling from last season. Yeah, we we're "in" every game last year - due to Williams' defense, not Gibbs' offense. The offense was atrocious. The QB situation stank, but Gibbs is the guy who paid Brunell big cash to come into town. I distinctly remember most warpathers defending Gibbs' playcalling through about Week 8. But I also remember that by week 12, those same Warpathers had joined those of us who criticized the playcalling. The run game was pathetic, the passing attack was awful, and the offense as a whole couldn't score points.

Good coaches can take mediocre talent and make them look good.

There were many factors that contributed to the less than spectacular offense.

Gibbs adjusting to the "new" NFL after being away for over a decade, losing Jansen resulting in the constant reshuffling on the OL, Brunell not working out as expected, the entire offense struggling with execution, and of course the playcalling. I really think Gibbs got spooked after that first Giants game when they turned it over 7 times and he tightened the reins too much and never let up.

Then when the switch to Ramsey finally came, there was that adjustment period. I think the entire season was full of adjustments, and now Gibbs should have a much better idea of what works and what doesn't work as they head into next year. He also knows his team now and what his player's strengths and weaknesses are.

If we're sitting here next year talking about how the offense stunk it up again, then I'll definitely be concerned.

Don't mistake this for a "free pass", but with Gibbs' history and credentials, I'm more than willing to give him a mulligan for the 2004 season.

Coach Gibbs knew earyl last season that he did not have the working parts to make the big plays downfield that's why he stuck to the conservative game plan of short passes most of the year. The first nine games were a disaster because of Brunell and his lack of arm strength, however once Gibbs decided to replace him things didn't get a lot better with Ramsey, thouigh slightly improved.

The changes made thus far in the off-season is a clear indication of what Gibbs felt was neccessary to get the passing game going. While Gibbs will never publicly criticize his players, his actions so far is a clear indication of his thoughts. If we do not add another Receiver I think we will do just fine with what we have now. I'm convienced the passing game will be much improved in 05.

Go Skins!!

There were many factors that contributed to the less than spectacular offense.

Gibbs adjusting to the "new" NFL after being away for over a decade, losing Jansen resulting in the constant reshuffling on the OL, Brunell not working out as expected, the entire offense struggling with execution, and of course the playcalling. I really think Gibbs got spooked after that first Giants game when they turned it over 7 times and he tightened the reins too much and never let up.

Then when the switch to Ramsey finally came, there was that adjustment period. I think the entire season was full of adjustments, and now Gibbs should have a much better idea of what works and what doesn't work as they head into next year. He also knows his team now and what his player's strengths and weaknesses are.

If we're sitting here next year talking about how the offense stunk it up again, then I'll definitely be concerned.

Don't mistake this for a "free pass", but with Gibbs' history and credentials, I'm more than willing to give him a mulligan for the 2004 season.

That, I can deal and agree with.