Let's face it. Our WRs are set...

When was the last time he broke a tackle for a long gain? Not this past season.

How many times did anyone last year? Very few. Gardner made some huge catches for us, he's definitely better than any WR on our roster right now. He can be a 1000yard #1 receiver. He's shown that.

This time last year everyone was talking about how bad our Defense was going to be. No Tackles, no DE (Rusher) Defense was our strongest suite. I said the Defense would be just fine with what we had, "No Miracle"

I'm going to say this year our WR are going to be just fine because I'm not going to compare what our new additions did with their previous teams. However, viewing the stats of both Moss and Patten the average YPC is better than anything we had last year. Eighteen yards per catch is far better than average, and while neither of them caught 90 balls like Coles did think what their total yards would look like if they did.

Plus, just their presence on the field will make life much more bearable for Portis. The Defense has to respect that speed, and getting that 8th man out the box will make a tremendous difference. Also drafting a Receiver at #9, even one of MW caliber commands a huge signing bonus and considerable $$ we're up against the cap. Many $$ already invested in the WR position.

zackmills?

:Smoker:

That's what I was thinking!

Gardner made some huge catches for us, he's definitely better than any WR on our roster right now. He can be a 1000yard #1 receiver. He's shown that.
When has he shown that? He had one 1,000 yard season (the same number as Moss) in '02.. He is WAY too inconsistent to be a #1 receiver. He makes the spectacular catches you'd expect from a #1 but he also drops passes and false starts like you'd expect from a right tackle..

This time last year everyone was talking about how bad our Defense was going to be. No Tackles, no DE (Rusher) Defense was our strongest suite. I said the Defense would be just fine with what we had, "No Miracle"

I'm going to say this year our WR are going to be just fine because I'm not going to compare what our new additions did with their previous teams. However, viewing the stats of both Moss and Patten the average YPC is better than anything we had last year. Eighteen yards per catch is far better than average, and while neither of them caught 90 balls like Coles did think what their total yards would look like if they did.

Plus, just their presence on the field will make life much more bearable for Portis. The Defense has to respect that speed, and getting that 8th man out the box will make a tremendous difference. Also drafting a Receiver at #9, even one of MW caliber commands a huge signing bonus and considerable $$ we're up against the cap. Many $$ already invested in the WR position.

only now they'll be covered by #1 CBs not 2s, 3s, and safeties...

How many times did anyone last year? Very few. Gardner made some huge catches for us, he's definitely better than any WR on our roster right now. He can be a 1000yard #1 receiver. He's shown that.

Are you on drugs? Gardner better than Patten and/or Moss??????????

Seriously, are you on drugs or not???????

Are you on drugs? Gardner better than Patten and/or Moss??????????

Seriously, are you on drugs or not???????

Statistically, Gardner is better than both. But stats aren't the be all end all.

There's definately room to argue that Gardner is as good as either of them. When you factor in who Moss and Patten were surrounded by (i.e. Pennington and Brady - two of the league's best QBs), I think there's definately room for argument about the issue.

To say categorically that Gardner is better or worse than either of them isn't that wise IMHO.

A close friend of mine is a HUGE Jets fan and he's been bitching about Moss just as much as we've been bitching about Gardner, albeit for different reasons.

I would bet $100 that over 70% of the Warpathers will be asking for a new starting WR next offseason.

Any takers?

I'm not shocked that no one took you up on that bet RamseyFan. The fact is, we sit here and try to be over-optimistic, and tell ourselves that we added Moss and Patten, our WRs are okay. But in our hearts, we can see clearly that we are not okay. Redskins fans bitched and moaned all of last season (well all of the last part of the season, at the beginning of the season there was too much Brunell bitching to fit in any other complaints) about our lack of effective WRs, and believe me, I was at the forefront. And whether we like to admit it or not, we have not improved on that area. It's easy to convince ourselves that we have, with all the changes, but at best we have broken even.

I can understand that if people aren't sold on Mike Williams, they might not want to trade up for him, but if he makes to number 9 he has to be ours, write it down, lights out, 3 minutes to make the pick. Not Antrel Rolle, not Pac-Man Jones, not Shawne Merriman. Nobody is enough to warrant passing on him.

With Williams, our WR corps is set for years. He is young, Moss is young, Jacobs is young. Those guys are absolutely the mirror image of Monk, Sanders, and Clark, and could be together for 6 years or more.

I want Gardner gone regardless, I don't care what we get for him, a lot of guy's here are falling back into that trap with Gardner, trust me he will burn you again like he alway's does, I don't care if he beat's out everyone for the job he will burn us in the game, reliability help's to build trust on offense and trust bring's continuity, well that ain't happening with Gardner, he's the little girl with the curl, she's nice to look at, and she'll give you a smile, but she will break your heart everytime, Gardner has to go, I said it before and I will say it again he's part of what we are trying to get away from as a team.