Around the NFL 2013 Offseason (Version 5150)

Weren't there 4 people in the car? How has there been no mention at all of the other two guys?

They'll be brought to trial, but most likely police questioned them and they all pointed the finger at Hernandez. More to come for sure.

Early evidence definitely not looking good for Hernandez. I gave him the benefit of the doubt when I first heard about this, but I have a hard time believing he didn't have any role in this. If he is guilty, it will be a shame, and he'll just be the next name in a long line of talented people who threw it all away over some dumb shit.

Weren't there 4 people in the car? How has there been no mention at all of the other two guys?

My assumption is Chrissy and Paulie have already knockoff and buried these two at the farm on the orders of Aaron Hernandez Soprano.

^DUDE! Innocent until proven guilty! Gosh! (/sarcasm)

Go to China. They convict people without allowing them a defense all the time. You'll fit right in.

^DUDE! Innocent until proven guilty! Gosh! (/sarcasm)

I don't get your sarcasm. Neither Lotus, nor I, ever said disregard forensic evidence, prosecutorial statements, or "hard" circumstantial evidence presented in court. But, we (the collective internet jury pool) had NONE of that up until around 2pm today. Before any of that, it was and is reasonable to say "let's wait and see". Today, based on presentation in court - sh** got real.

Weren't there 4 people in the car? How has there been no mention at all of the other two guys?

The DA referenced them as being with Hernandez both before and after the murder saying surveillance cams showed AH and two friends accompanied the victim. Their names are being withheld. The DA is saying the murder was orchestrated by AH.

Was rereading DA's statements. Apparently, there is footage of AH with a gun before and after the murder. The gun used to kill the victim was matched by ballistics with the gun AH used in the May incident for which he is being sued in a civil action. This particular gun is now missing and was not found when the home was searched although two others were.

I don't get your sarcasm. Neither Lotus, nor I, ever said disregard forensic evidence, prosecutorial statements, or "hard" circumstantial evidence presented in court. But, we (the collective internet jury pool) had NONE of that up until around 2pm today. Before any of that, it was and is reasonable to say "let's wait and see". Today, based on presentation in court - sh** got real.

Although it is still possible that someone else in the car besides Hernandez did the actual shooting.

It also is true that we have only heard from the prosecution, not the defense. If every trial were prosecution-only, DA's would never lose in court. And we would have a justice system like China's.

Although it is still possible that someone else in the car besides Hernandez did the actual shooting.

And that is definitely true. But in felony murder, if he was in the car at the same time he will be charged as if he pulled the trigger.

In my opinion, with the court testimony today, short of some huge frame up, which no one is alleging yet, I think a reasonable person can make some basic judgements. Still, I would hope that the jurors that here this case, if no plea deal follows, would go in with the belief that the cops, prosecutors, and DA's office have the burden to show he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

My issue always is people riding the wave of immediate, unverified, items that people are pulling out left and right.

Court has issued a gag order so I think this all we will hear for a while.

And that is definitely true. But in felony murder, if he was in the car at the same time he will be charged as if he pulled the trigger.

In my opinion, with the court testimony today, short of some huge frame up, which no one is alleging yet, I think a reasonable person can make some basic judgements. Still, I would hope that the jurors that here this case, if no plea deal follows, would go in with the belief that the cops, prosecutors, and DA's office have the burden to show he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

My issue always is people riding the wave of immediate, unverified, items that people are pulling out left and right.

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