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RedskinRat
07-02-2013, 02:35 PM
So are you saying that Israel is somehow "containing" the spread of Islam? Did we somehow transported back to the Crusade years?

No, Ruhskins, it was my sarcastic way of conveying to Lotus that he's helping proliferate anti-Israel sentiments which in turn advances the OIC's narrative.

RedskinRat
07-02-2013, 02:39 PM
Given that there are many Palestinian Christians who have been victimized by Israel, we can see that calling out Israel for its AWFUL human rights record can have nothing to do with being pro-Islam.

Many? Want to put a number on that or can I call BS on that, too?

RedskinRat
07-02-2013, 02:43 PM
Paliwood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8ANySuSuk), for the uninitiated.

Ruhskins
07-02-2013, 03:14 PM
No, Ruhskins, it was my sarcastic way of conveying to Lotus that he's helping proliferate anti-Israel sentiments which in turn advances the OIC's narrative.

Why does any criticism of US-Israeli relations has to be labeled as anti-Israeli sentiment? Why does the subject of re-thinking the US' approach to Israel have to be off-limits for discussion? I just don't get it. I spent some of my undergrad courses studying the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and it baffles me how much radical the pro-Israel side tends to be in the US. Both sides in the conflict have done a lot of terrible thing, but the US media tends to focus only on attacks against Israeli citizens. Yet they don't mention the deplorable conditions that common Palestinians endure in the occupied zones.

Ironically, a lot of US money ends up being spend on things that affect both sides of this conflict. US aid is spent on bullets and missiles used against Palestinians, and I am sure some of the oil profits end up funding a lot of these terrorist groups that attack Israelis.

RedskinRat
07-02-2013, 03:28 PM
Both sides in the conflict have done a lot of terrible thing<SNIP>

I'm guessing you've not kept a scorecard, have you?

Were you around for the Gaza Greenhouse fiasco?

I am all for examining every International relationship and how we, as a nation, dabble and spend.

firstdown
07-02-2013, 03:47 PM
People don't put things in perspective and are too easily distracted by the scandal of the day, such as PRISM now. Not to say that PRISM isn't a big deal, but what do you expect out of our government, when we have a citizenry that can't even get the government to be accountable for doing their jobs on the economy, health care, and education.

PRISM and the Patriot Act are good examples of issues that people are very passionate about, yet no one has had a serious debate on maybe changing the foreign policy of this nation to avoid having to worry so much about terrorism. Our nation's blind support for Israel, the constant involvement in the oil industry, and the pointless wars we've been involved in the Middle East are three reasons why people over there hate us. Yet no one ever discuss these things because they are too preoccupied with whatever political carrot is being dangled by politicians or the media.


That's one of the problems right there it should not be the federal goverment dealing with those issuea it should be the state. Maybe when the citizenry figures out that its better to lets the states handle these issue then the Feds can do what they are suppose to do.

Lotus
07-02-2013, 04:07 PM
Many? Want to put a number on that or can I call BS on that, too?

200,000 Palestinian Christians is the number which I have seen in most sources.

But my point would hold if the number were one.

Israel oppresses Palestinian Christians just as it does Palestinian Muslims. Therefore criticizing Israel's horrendous human rights record has nothing to do with being pro-Islam.

RedskinRat
07-02-2013, 06:50 PM
200,000 Palestinian Christians is the number which I have seen in most sources.

But my point would hold if the number were one.

Israel oppresses Palestinian Christians just as it does Palestinian Muslims. Therefore criticizing Israel's horrendous human rights record has nothing to do with being pro-Islam.

Please site a source.

KTHANXBAI

NC_Skins
07-02-2013, 07:43 PM
Clapper apologizes for 'erroneous' answer on NSA (http://news.yahoo.com/clapper-apologizes-erroneous-answer-nsa-221238030.html)


It's ok guys, he's "sorry."


Meanwhile, no charges are being brought up on him for lying to Congress. He isn't even removed from his post for lying to Congress. However, expose the government's criminal behavior and you get labeled a "traitor" and charged with espionage.

Lotus
07-02-2013, 08:03 PM
Please site a source.

KTHANXBAI

Go to the gajillion places online which talk about Palestinian Christians. Who do you think lives in Bethlehem? If you don't know that there are many Palestinian Christians, you really don't know anything about the lives of Palestinians.

You might start your education regarding Palestinian Christians here:
IMEU: FACT SHEET: Palestinian Christians in the Holy Land (http://imeu.net/news/article0023369.shtml)
Philip Farah: Palestinian Christians Against the Occupation (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip-farah/palestinian-christians-against-the-occupation_b_1466027.html)

Given your resistance to recognizing a well-known fact, you have allowed me to yet again point out that Israel has a HORRIFIC human rights record, oppressing Palestinian Christians and Muslims alike.

You can read about some of these human rights abuses here:
Amnesty International | Working to Protect Human Rights (http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2013)

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