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firstdown 06-25-2013, 11:56 AM I have not read enough on this but are they actually listening to conversations or tracking where someone is communicating. If they find a person with a history of questionable places like Lybia, Iraq, Etc... then at that point they could go before a pannel to get the OK to listen in or track in more detail. Do I have this right?
Chico23231 06-25-2013, 12:17 PM I have not read enough on this but are they actually listening to conversations or tracking where someone is communicating. If they find a person with a history of questionable places like Lybia, Iraq, Etc... then at that point they could go before a pannel to get the OK to listen in or track in more detail. Do I have this right?
I dont know if its about my/your reading, but the fact the government hasnt been clear in their own explanition of whats going on.
RedskinRat 06-25-2013, 12:54 PM Remember when the then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy.”?
It's kinda like that. Just be assured that we're doing the right thing for the country, even though we can't show you the successes we've had. It's 50, though.
Not that we're under attack or anything, but....
**** sake!
CRedskinsRule 06-25-2013, 01:50 PM I think this is a great point and where the loophole would be. I feel the same way more about the internet. Its not secure. I expect my telephone conversation to be more secure and my house and home to be most secure.
So in this pattern of interpersonal communication and media vs my privacy and security. I see this see this: internet < telephone < my home < me. The internet is all about freedom for everybody. Its open forum. Government has access to that the same as everyone else. I dont expect my telephone convo to be taped with out a warrent. I certainly object to the government drones spyin in my backyard with a drone.
The only reason I don't see it as a great point, is because cell phones and internet could be more secure except that the government requires a backdoor in everything for it's exclusive use. personally, the TSA approved locks for luggage irritate the heck out of me only because it would be like the neighborhood cops saying they need a master key to all the houses in the neighborhood "just to be safe".
NC_Skins 06-25-2013, 01:55 PM I have not read enough on this but are they actually listening to conversations or tracking where someone is communicating. If they find a person with a history of questionable places like Lybia, Iraq, Etc... then at that point they could go before a pannel to get the OK to listen in or track in more detail. Do I have this right?
NSA’s Criminal Activity | Ben Swann Full Disclosure (http://benswann.com/nsas-criminal-activity/)
This guy's video explains everything.
Chico23231 06-25-2013, 02:00 PM my question is this...should we allow the government to do data mining through phone records and internet browsing to stop terrorists? Looking at broad amounts of data to detect terrorist activity...i dont have a problem with. When they focus then on certain individuals, thats when you need to get a warrant.
NC_Skins 06-25-2013, 02:28 PM my question is this...should we allow the government to do data mining through phone records and internet browsing to stop terrorists? Looking at broad amounts of data to detect terrorist activity...i dont have a problem with. When they focus then on certain individuals, thats when you need to get a warrant.
Sorry, NSA, Terrorists Don't Use Verizon. Or Skype. Or Gmail. | Motherboard (http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/hey-nsa-terrorists-dont-use-verizon-or-skype-or-gmail)
CRedskinsRule 06-25-2013, 02:37 PM my question is this...should we allow the government to do data mining through phone records and internet browsing to stop terrorists? Looking at broad amounts of data to detect terrorist activity...i dont have a problem with. When they focus then on certain individuals, thats when you need to get a warrant.
Isn't that like saying lets go through all of H&R Blocks records, and if we see something, then we get a warrant?
Chico23231 06-25-2013, 02:56 PM Isn't that like saying lets go through all of H&R Blocks records, and if we see something, then we get a warrant?
i think its more like all the entires world tax records looking numbers and not specific information, and not just H&R blocks. I thinks thats more representative of the size of data.
Chico23231 06-25-2013, 02:58 PM Sorry, NSA, Terrorists Don't Use Verizon. Or Skype. Or Gmail. | Motherboard (http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/hey-nsa-terrorists-dont-use-verizon-or-skype-or-gmail)
Does the writer think NSA is just mining data from verizon, skype and gmail? thats a lil near sighted
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