Why the backstabbing?

I can see the bitterness against Coles, because he was under contract and sneaked up on us. I think he'd still be our #1 receiver going into this year and we'd all be happy with it had the WP not leaked that story.

I think Coles liked Spurrier. A lot of the players liked him and thought he had a chance as a head coach. I personally think he can still make it in this league as a head coach (shocking to you guys, I know.) He simply treated his players like men, and not like boys as he should have. Gibbs worked all day and all night to get the same number of wins and a worse offense. Spurrier left early. What's the difference? The W column matters, not the office hours. Anyhow, even Ramsey said he thought Spurriers system could work. Everyone saw the abysmal line play and defensive woes. How many times did our defense lose the game in the final minutes for us last year? Replace Helston with Bugel and Edwards with Williams and things woulda been different.

I think all coaches should have at least 3 years to impliment their guys and their system fully. After that they better have shown SOME sort of improvement. Sorry for the rant, but I can understand his frustration with the system last year. I wasn't playing and I was frustrated!

I agree with Daseal 100%. You all think it is fine for the organization to make business decisions, but God forbid a player make one. People are happy when we cut people who shouldn't be getting cut. See: Stephen Davis. And then when a player who is putting up numbers doesn't get the offer from the front office you all blame the player. I don't understand how this team's front office can do no wrong in the eyes of most of you. I hate the FO for this team. I don't know about Joe Gibbs and being a judge of talent. I know he can coach, but I don't know if he's GM material. I flat out hate that punk ass yes man Vinny Cerrato and I hate Dan Snyder.

Snyder disgusts me. I don't believe he's committed to winning one bit. I think he used to make a lot of moves that were strictly cosmetic and made us no better whatsoever. That has started to get cut back, but I don't like the way he does business. You can say, "well, he's successful. He must be doing something right." You'll just be proving my point about making cosmetic moves. The team isn't successful, but the franchise is. Why? Because the Skins have some of the most loyal fans in the NFL. Like me. I can't stop liking them despite the fact that I hate Snyder. I don't anyone who likes him, but most of you seem to love him. I don't get it. The Yankees of football, but we can't seem to win. More like the Washington Capitals before they unloaded everybody.

I don't wish bodily harm to any players, current or former redskins, as well as rival players, but like many other fans, after hearing pierce and smoot talk so much about supposedly wanting to come back and feeling good about where the team was going and then at the first whiff of more money from another team they bolt. I understand for most of these guys that its a "get my money while I can" attitude, but I honestly didn't expect to see 2 key guys from our team say all the things they said and then leave so they could get more money or fame. These guys already have more than most of us will have in a lifetime, but it's always "I gotta get more while I can" and personally I hate that about pro athletes. Real team leaders take less to be with THEIR team(atleast for a short while), thats why I have mad respect for players like Darrel Green and Tony Gwynn, because they had chances to bail for more money and/or rings but they didn't. The guys who just left didn't show us loyalty(not that they really need to anyway) so I'm just returning the favor and giving them a nice up yours back at 'em. And the FO should in no way be bashed because they for once decided to keep the pay in check and not hand out contracts richer than those already on the team who are better players at the same or similar positions.
but then again that's just my :twocents:

I agree with Daseal 100%. You all think it is fine for the organization to make business decisions, but God forbid a player make one. People are happy when we cut people who shouldn't be getting cut. See: Stephen Davis.

the thing that was wrong about the davis situation was that spurrier didn't have nearly a good enough replacement to fill his spot, but Davis was nowhere even close to being worth the 10.5 million $ cap hit, or whatever insane amount it was, he would have taken up. and since then he's already broken down 2-3 times (didn't he miss most of last year?).

Man, if I was Pierce I wouldn't have come back. If I was the Redskins...I wouldn't have brought Pierce back at the price the Giants were paying. He's not a playmaker just a good player. What do I even base that on? One year. One. He played for the league minimum and got it done in a contract year. That's not unusual. If I were Pierce I would feel like, "If they thought I could play I would have gotten a little more money or a few more years last year." I don't think Pierce is a difference maker. I heard some guy call Sirius and go off about the Skins letting him get away. I don't think he's gonna hurt them that much. He was always in the right place and rarely made mistakes, but that's as far as it goes. He isn't a Pro Bowler, I don't know if he will be. Bottom Line: He isn't worth all that money because he showed up for 16 games.

the thing that was wrong about the davis situation was that spurrier didn't have nearly a good enough replacement to fill his spot, but Davis was nowhere even close to being worth the 10.5 million $ cap hit, or whatever insane amount it was, he would have taken up. and since then he's already broken down 2-3 times (didn't he miss most of last year?).

Okay...so the solution would be to not give him a huge contract when he's almost 30.

I really dont wish any player any ill will towards them. As for Smoot I think that he will do great out in MIN. As for Perice I wished that he had stayed but untill last year he really was a no body, so that makes me believe that he was more the product of Williams. I hope him the best in NY but I think that he will regret leaving us. Coles, is kinda different but still if he didnt want to be here and was miserable than we did the best with him in a bad situation.

As for other players, Steven Davis is still one of my all-time favorite players. I really hated the fact that he was cut. I still wish him good luck in Carolina and I am happy that atleast he did get to play in a Super Bowl. So there is no ill will towards him either.

Daseal is right though, when someone leaves this team people get all bent out of shape about it, but this kind of thing does not just happen to Skins fans it happens to all the teams in the NFL!!!!

It's real simple. They took more money to be elsewhere. The day they CHOSE to leave the Skins is the day they became the enemy. I don't wish them bodily harm, but if they fall on their ass and suck next year, I will not be shedding any tears either.

It's real simple. They took more money to be elsewhere. The day they CHOSE to leave the Skins is the day they became the enemy. I don't wish them bodily harm, but if they fall on their ass and suck next year, I will not be shedding any tears either.

That the way I feel as well! Coles is and has always been about Coles! Winning is not what he is about it's about him and what he dose on the field! I wish we had sat him the hole season and not let him get out of town with that 5 mill! If you all remember Smoot should have been a 1st round pick like Coles! And like Coles Smoot had troubles in college that made teams stay away! The Redskins tock a shot with Smoot and thats the way he repayed them! Not a D.Green kind of guy but that's what he is about! Let's really look at his play. Is he a great CB???? NO!!! Can he be replaced yes!!! If Bailey can Smoot can! About Pierce he had a chance at a big pay day more then the Skins could give. So good luck and I hope we run over you two times a year!!! The facts are in todays NFL players come and go!!!

I hope that Smoot has a good year next year. He would not be as good as he is if he played his first years somewhere else. Look at who he had to learn from. I am upset that he is in Min. and not on the redskins anymore.

As for what he did in college, so what you mean to tell me that you never did anything that maybe you may regret at the young ripe age of 21 or so? Bullsh%& if you answer NO!!! Why should Smoot feel that he owes the redskins anything, just because they drafted him? Come on, people need to wake up and realize that there is a business side to the NFL!!

You are right about Smoot being replaceable, we easly replaced Bailey. So with that being said that Smoot is replaceable, then what is the BIG DEAL!!!! What about when the skins let Davis go only to replace him with, TRUNG CANADIT(sp)!!!! I would be more upset if we let someone go that we couldn't replace and not make such an ordeal about someone that can be replaced!!