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skinsfan69 05-30-2013, 10:28 AM He got rid of Schroeder after starting one year due to injury with Doug Williams, Doug Williams got injured after winning the SB the following season and was replaced by Rypien. So I would say no.
Jay S = Jeff George.
Ill never forget that interview as long as I live with Czab vs Brunnell. That was awesome. Alot of people hate Czab, but Boonell was horrible.
Yeah Brunell was having a rough year, personally I though Czab went a little overboard with that interview though. I didn't think MB deserved to be treated like that.
skinsfan69 05-30-2013, 02:41 PM Kinda sad that Skins fans got personal and treated Brunell like they did. Yeah Gibbs may have left him in there too long, but Gibbs did that w/ all his QB's when they played like shit... Rypien, Theismann and Jay S all played horrible and he tried to let em play their way out of it. Rypien was HORRIBLE in 92 and should have been benched but wasn't. Same with Theismann in 85 before LT snapped his leg. I was at that game and a lot of fans were actually cheering when Theismann was lying on the ground in pain.
I was told by a good friend of mine that the Brunell's had to take their daughter out of school (and home school her) because of the teasing by other kids. Pretty awful IMO.
skinsfan69 05-30-2013, 02:45 PM Gibbs never had a problem benching quarterbacks nor going with the hot hand even if the starter was healthy (i.e. 1987 Jay VS Doug.)
At the same time, he preferred letting his young QBs hold a clipboard for a season or two until he felt they were ready. Rypien held a clipboard in '87, and got some playing time in '88 when Williams got hurt. He was the starter by '89. Joe never had the luxury of having a talented rookie quarterback like RG3 that he could thrust into the starting position from day one. Back in those days, the 'skins offense was built around a strong running game, so while I can't exactly say the quarterback position was not AS important, I can say that, obviously, Gibbs was able to win without a true franchise quarterback.
I think when he came back for his second stint in the NFL, he realized that a franchise QB is extremely important, and a running back by committee seems to be the choice for the backfield. I would have been curious to see what Gibbs would have done if he had RG3 and Alfred Morris.
I remember that year very well and Gibbs almost had a locker room revolt cause everyone hated Jay S. so much. Everyone wanted Williams in there. Even Bobby Mitchell went on the radio and aired dirty laundry. Scheorder wasn't totally benched until the last game of the year when Williams bailed out a game against Minnesota.
Chico23231 05-30-2013, 03:04 PM Yeah Brunell was having a rough year, personally I though Czab went a little overboard with that interview though. I didn't think MB deserved to be treated like that.
Oh yeah, Czab was a complete ass. I enjoy hearing him be an idiot, but watching him be an idoit is just great.
Defensewins 05-30-2013, 04:28 PM I've heard this rumor alot about Joe Gibbs, mainly that he had a track record of sticking with veteran QB's, and not benching them even when they struggled at times.
I am too young to remember Joe Gibbs' first time around, although i know well of the veteran QB's that he won super bowls with.
But is it really true? Did he really stick with the vets over younger, possibly better options? I only remember the 2006 season when Joe Gibbs benched Brunell, and i remember nearly all media at that point believed that Brunell was not the problem, that he was only a scapegoat for a team that was completely under-performing.
So was it fan pressure that led to Brunell's benching? Campbell was not really that much better, so why not play Campbell for those remaining games to see what they had, evaluate, and then have a position battle the next year?
That is trues for Thiesmann before LT broke his leg.
In 1985 Joey T was having one of the worst year of his career as a Redskins starter 8 TD's to 16 INT's. I was very frustrated with Joey T, it was difficult to watch. Gibbs never even looked like he considered benching Joe.
When Schroeder came in it was a breath of fresh air. I think after that experience Joe was more willing to replace his starter.
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skinsnut 05-30-2013, 09:49 PM Gibbs' claim to fame is that he won 3 superbowls all with different QB's.
Keep in mind, none of these will be in the hall of fame.
Think of this too...during Gibbs 2.0 he took 2 very mediocre teams to the playoffs after Spurrier destroyed the team...with an old Brunell and an uninspiring Campbell, not to mention Vinny.
Arguably, more impressive than the Superbowl wins with high talent....take a look at what happened after he left.
Gibbs generally kept his QB's in a long time...he offered a long leash...but he won a Superbowl by benching his starter (against Denver) Also, the year before Gibbs started...they only had one QBs anyways...after Gibbs, they carried only 2...but the drop off was ridiculous. There was no choice for at least the first 4 years...then the backups were usually vets, not young talent.
Brunell was just more accomplished. Campbell hadn't done squat and got sacked a ton because he was slow...at least Brunell could make some short completions without losing 10 yards at a chunk when we averaged 4 yards a run...do the math on that one, it aint pretty.
Gibbs is one heck of a coach, he generally got 3 more wins a season than a team should produce with decent coaching. He never had a superstar like RG3....and good thing...because if Shanny wins a SB with RG3...they will just say it is because of Elway and RG3
Gibbs always got the most out of the talent he had...if anything...he wore the wheels off...he should never be accused on not playing better talent on the bench....can't think of that ever happening in Gibbs 1 or Gibbs 2.0
SmootSmack 05-30-2013, 10:49 PM That is trues for Thiesmann before LT broke his leg.
In 1985 Joey T was having one of the worst year of his career as a Redskins starter 8 TD's to 16 INT's. I was very frustrated with Joey T, it was difficult to watch. Gibbs never even looked like he considered benching Joe.
When Schroeder came in it was a breath of fresh air. I think after that experience Joe was more willing to replace his starter.
Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?
The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever
Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?
The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever
You're right though....always seemed like a good dude
Like Rypien.
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