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Interesting.

On CNN or some news my dad and I were watching they showed how crucifixes had stayed on a wall through the tornado and how it was god's work.

Really? So he used his power to save two man made plastic crucifixes but allowed seven children to drown just down the road.

Alot of that type of reverence probably goes all the way back to the origins of passover.

When the blood of the lamb was on the doorpost, the death passed over the house. Death, weeping, horror still occurred all around, but people who trusted and obeyed were kept safe. I am sure those that were saved praised and thanked God for that.

Spin forward to modern day, if God had said, there is a tornado coming, put a cross up on your house and it will pass. How many would actually have? I probably wouldn't, to much skepticism/cynicism, but when a protection of a sacrimental object occurs, we want to ascribe it to some level of care and concern by God. I think that is human instinct.

One last thought, again God may choose to save someone, but He makes it clear that in His timeline, everyone will be judged, there is no special clause that says he will set aside the workings of nature and science to impose His will. He allows us free will, and one day we will be brought before him, our actions, beliefs and heart will be judged.

How about this load of hypocrisy

Arizona House Prayer Given By Atheist Lawmaker Sparks Do-Over From Christian Lawmaker (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/arizona-house-prayer_n_3322240.html)

Meanwhile Rep. Jamescita Peshlakai nails it:

"I want to remind the House and my colleagues and everybody here that several of us here are not Christianized. I'm a traditional Navajo, so I stand here every day and participate in prayers," even without personally embracing them, said Peshlakai, D-Cameron. "This is the United States, this is America, and we all represent different people ... and you need to respect that. Your God is no more powerful than my God. We all come from the same creator."

I agree Peshlakai hit it on the head.

I am not sure I see hypocrisy, just stupidity, in Smith's comments. I also don't see anything wrong with what Mendez did.

Alot of that type of reverence probably goes all the way back to the origins of passover.

When the blood of the lamb was on the doorpost, the death passed over the house. Death, weeping, horror still occurred all around, but people who trusted and obeyed were kept safe. I am sure those that were saved praised and thanked God for that.

Spin forward to modern day, if God had said, there is a tornado coming, put a cross up on your house and it will pass. How many would actually have? I probably wouldn't, to much skepticism/cynicism, but when a protection of a sacrimental object occurs, we want to ascribe it to some level of care and concern by God. I think that is human instinct.

One last thought, again God may choose to save someone, but He makes it clear that in His timeline, everyone will be judged, there is no special clause that says he will set aside the workings of nature and science to impose His will. He allows us free will, and one day we will be brought before him, our actions, beliefs and heart will be judged.

I hear and respect your beliefs and you as a long term poster here. With that said I don't agree with your beliefs.

Confirmation bias.

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*sigh* thats so f*cked up on so many levels

I hear and respect your beliefs and you as a long term poster here. With that said I don't agree with your beliefs.

Thanks, I accept that you don't. Sorry if it came off preachy, I really was just trying to give a rationale for the situation that was described, thanking God for a crucifix that was not destroyed, and probably got long winded, but at least it wasn't JR long winded!

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But was it peer reviewed???

Thanks, I accept that you don't. Sorry if it came off preachy, I really was just trying to give a rationale for the situation that was described, thanking God for a crucifix that was not destroyed, and probably got long winded, but at least it wasn't JR long winded!

Just to be clear I was saying it is silly of the media to think people prayed that way. I am not a praying man but if I was it would be that god would give me the strenght to make it through events like the tornado not to spare me from tornadoes/ bad events.

I guess the best story to tell non-believers about god's will is this one(it is simply and to the point once you guys start citing the bible and all the versus most non-believers just turn you off; my two cents):

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed
he was walking along the beach with the LORD.

Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene he noticed two sets of
footprints in the sand: one belonging
to him, and the other to the LORD.
http://llerrah.com/images/footprints2.gif

When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.

He noticed that many times along the path of
his life there was only one set of footprints.
http://llerrah.com/images/footprints.gif

He also noticed that it happened at the very
lowest and saddest times in his life.

This really bothered him and he
questioned the LORD about it:

"LORD, you said that once I decided to follow
you, you'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life,
there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when
I needed you most you would leave me."
http://llerrah.com/images/footprints.gif

The LORD replied:

"My son, my precious child,
I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."


See

Just to be clear I was saying it is silly of the media to think people prayed that way. I am not a praying man but if I was it would be that god would give me the strenght to make it through events like the tornado not to spare me from tornadoes/ bad events.

I guess the best story to tell non-believers about god's will is this one(it is simply and to the point once you guys start citing the bible and all the versus most non-believers just turn you off; my two cents):

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed
he was walking along the beach with the LORD.

Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene he noticed two sets of
footprints in the sand: one belonging
to him, and the other to the LORD.
http://llerrah.com/images/footprints2.gif

When the last scene of his life flashed before him,
he looked back at the footprints in the sand.

He noticed that many times along the path of
his life there was only one set of footprints.
http://llerrah.com/images/footprints.gif

He also noticed that it happened at the very
lowest and saddest times in his life.

This really bothered him and he
questioned the LORD about it:

"LORD, you said that once I decided to follow
you, you'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most
troublesome times in my life,
there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when
I needed you most you would leave me."
http://llerrah.com/images/footprints.gif

The LORD replied:

"My son, my precious child,
I love you and I would never leave you.
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints,
it was then that I carried you."


See


That is a very good poem. As to citing the verses, I just didn't want anyone coming back saying I was pulling it out my backend.

and I agree with you about how the media portrays things.

See citing the versus is a waste because for all I know you could be making up the versus. I don't even know how to look up a versus that is why the above poem is at least for me more powerful when you describe your faith. If you throw the bible at people they are going to run away.