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EARTHQUAKE2689 04-30-2013, 01:12 AM I was going off of what you had in parentheses.
Yeah, hopefully they can handle that spot in the future. I know it is unlikely that all our DBs will hit their potential. But damnit, I wanna see it happen. 3 hall of fame DBs from this draft. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
calia 04-30-2013, 02:02 AM So you have Hall going from #1 to not even in the starting lineup? Interesting.
Maybe I'm optimistic, but I'm not willing to throw three rookies in to the starting lineup with even a practice under their belt
Heresy!
(No, actually, it's just common sense.)
CultBrennan59 04-30-2013, 03:10 AM Evaluating the Washington Redskins' draft - NFL Videos (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap2000000165172/Evaluating-the-Redskins-draft)
Bucket 04-30-2013, 03:26 AM Evaluating the Washington Redskins' draft - NFL Videos (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/0ap2000000165172/Evaluating-the-Redskins-draft)
I agree with them. I'm really interested in seeing how JJ turns out. He's going to be a great addition. His good hands, and really quick feet are amazing.
CultBrennan59 04-30-2013, 04:08 AM So how do I see our 2013 Draft equating to the NFL?
David Amerson- I think he was an OK pick. Was there anyone else available I would have liked over him? Yes, Jamar Taylor of Boise St. comes to mind. Then there were corners with some risk to them like Robert Alford and Tyrann Mathieu whom I would have preferred over Amerson. He literally is the definition of a Boom or Bust player. If we get the 2011 David Amerson, we may have gotten the steal of the draft, and hands down the best CB in the draft. If we get the 2012 Amerson, we have a wasted pick.
Prediction: Amerson struggles to play man to man coverage deep and get beat by double moves constantly causing the coaches to move him to FS to make sure he wasn't a complete bust.
Jordan Reed- Jordan Reed is, in my opinion, our best player we drafted. Jordan Reed has constantly been compared to two NFL TEs; Aaron Hernandez and Fred Davis. If Jordan Reed is anything like those two guys we have a GREAT pick. Jordan Reed is basically a huge WR. He is a little faster than Hernandez and is 2 inches taller. He was also a top 10 High school QB recruit. I think he can be deadly in this offense and will be stretching the defenses away from Fred and vice versa. He can't block that well, but hey, nor can Fred.
Prediction: Jordan Reed is the first pro bowl player from this draft class. He comes on BIG this year and even gets into contention for offensive rookie of the year. He takes over for Fred Davis and makes the fans forget about him.
Phillip Thomas- First let me say this; he's a value pick in terms of where he was supposed to go. Had we of picked him in the 2nd round, I would have bashed this pick if we picked him in the 2nd, because more is expected out of a 2nd rounder than a 4th rounder. The beauty of it is, is that he is a 4th rounder, so if he doesn't pan out, its not as bad as a 2nd rounder not being able to pan out. Thomas was a great safety in college. But he played against some of the worst competition. Also, he is slow and stiff in coverage. Its as if he gets within a few yards of the ball carrier and whiffs or hesitates. If you watch his tape against Oregon, he gets beat and made a fool badly in coverage. In blitzing on the other hand, he does a great job. Basically, the less space you make him cover, the better he is. There is talk that he could wind up being our starting FS. And I'm already going to say stop right there. He is a SS. And on top of that I don't think he's a starting SS. Was there any other safeties available when we picked him (besides Rambo)? Just Sanders Commings, who I wouldn't be pissed we missed out on or pick Thomas over him. But in terms of other players Marcus Lattimore was available, as was Quinton Patton and John Simon. No major biggies, we'll see how those players pan out in the pros.
Prediction: Thomas splits some time with Meriweather at SS, in sub packages/3rd downs, but struggles. He becomes a full time special teamer, and in 4 years we never hear about him again after he leaves the Redskins.
Chris Thompson: I think this was a good pick. Then we picked the RB later and I questioned this pick. Then I watch a couple of his nice runs and I loved this pick. Then I read he missed almost all of last year with an ACL tear, and the year before he had major back problems. Then I just thought this was a solid pick. Lots of potential with this kid, but lots of injuries. Again, the beauty of this is that he was a late rounder. I personally feel that he could have been had in the 7th round. Who was better as a pick around this time? Jordan Mills a RT and Ryan Swope a WR were both more intriguing and need options more so than 3rd down back which wasn't as major of a need (but I'm not complaining).
Prediciton: Thompson shows great flashes as a rookie making big runs, returns and catches as a 3rd down back, but the NFL injuries catch up to him and we only see him in less than 8 games this year.
Brandon Jenkins: I think this was a great sleeper pick. If he is anything near the Brandon Jenkins of 2010, he have ourselves one hell of a pick (like the next Jared Allen, being a late rounder with lots of pass rushing success). If he isn't anything like himself from 2011 or 2010, well we can always cut him.
Prediction: Jenkins shows some good pass rushes in training camp and Preseason. He makes the team and is the backup pass rusher to Orakpo while Rob Jackson is serving his suspension. Once Rob is back, Jenkins moves to backup Kerrigan.
Bacarri Rambo: This was one of my favorite picks of the redskins draft history. A guy who was supposed to go in round 3, fell 3 more rounds. Boom, right there thats a value pick. Add to that that we needed a FS (or backup safety depending on how you see Meriweather and Thomas). And also add to that that he plays single high safety probably the best of any safety in the draft and we have my favorite value pick of our draft (probably one of the few times that the Redskins actually listened and picked I guy I've been wanting them to pick). I haven't been this happy about a Redskins pick since we drafted Colt Brennan (yes I know laugh it up/you all hope he pans out nothing like Colt did).
Prediction: Rambo impresses in training camp, earning the starting FS job. He becomes a not great but solid to good FS for us for years to come, and shows Redskins fans very soon, that he is no Madieu Williams.
Jawan Jamison: Marquis Wilson, Reid Fragel, Connor Vernon, and Da'Rick Rogers all would have been better picks than Jamison. Not only had Shanahan just drafted a RB, but he also got a short, fast, back. Not that theres anything wrong with that, its just that there were better players of need available. But when its all said and done, I trust Shanahan when it comes to drafting RBs, so I won't judge. And after seeing his durability, size and vision, I like his chances better than Thompson.
Prediction: Jamison becomes the 2nd back in our offense playing on not just 3rd downs but other downs as a fill in for Alfred. Jamison ends up becoming a better pick than Thompson and takes over Helu's spot, and causing Royster to be cut.
Stud: Jordan Reed
Dud: Phillip Thomas
Sleeper: Jawan Jamison
Players out of this draft that will still be with the Redskins after 4 years: 3/7
RGIII 04-30-2013, 08:27 AM Uh, Cult'. That prediction sucks big time. All of these guys have potential.
HailGreen28 04-30-2013, 08:59 AM Uh, Cult'. That prediction sucks big time. All of these guys have potential.Looked like Cult put a lot of work into it, I'd hardly say it "sucked". I feel like the Chris Thompson pick sucked, for reasons Cult listed. But I also thought Adrian Peterson's injury history would be an issue.
Paintrain 04-30-2013, 09:09 AM Uh, Cult'. That prediction sucks big time. All of these guys have potential.
What a thought out and detailed response. All of these guys have potential, Mayock better save his pennies cause analysis like that is gold! You´re gonna be a star kid!!!
donofriose 04-30-2013, 09:39 AM The good thing is the Redskins got two safeties out of this draft with starting potential. So hopefully one of them pans out.
There is a reason they both fell, one from late 2nd/early third to the middle of the 4th. And one all the way to the 6th. Both were inconsistent, Thomas plays terrible the first half at Oregon, then in the second half recovers a fumble, gets a sack and forces a fumble and from what I saw played pretty well the remainder of the game.
Rambo gets owned by South Carolina, just watch the second play of the game, and at Florida misses a lot of tackles, even Driskel, who is a good athlete but not elite (He definitively is not Kaepernick) got by him, but then gets a pick and makes a couple of solid tackles and ends up playing well.
They were both all-americans at one point so I am just hoping that at least one of them ends up being a starter, I am more inclined to believe that Thomas will end up being the potential starter just because of where they were drafted. There are not many safeties that are selected in the 6th or 7th round that end up making it in the NFL.
But I do not think there will be three starting rookies in the Redskins secondary this upcoming season, unless of course there are a couple of unseen injuries.
vallin21 04-30-2013, 10:43 AM What round Rambo was taken in is irrelevant. The kid can play. He has a nose for the ball and is an excellent deep centerfield FS ballhawk with great range. Rambo never fell in the draft for his play, he fell do character concerns. He's a better tackler than most give him credit for, he forces turnovers and he made an impact everygame when playing at UGA in the SEC. The game @ Florida Rambo missed just 1 tackle which was the Driskel 16 yard run. Otherwise He had a solid game.
What round you're drafted does not indicate playing time. The thing I like about Shanny is that he's for competition. No spot is secure. The best players play whether that's an undrafted FA or a 6th round pick. Bad NFL organizations have a systematic hierarchy that base starting and PT on what round a player's drafted or large their salary is.
I'm not a big fan of Phillip Thomas. He reminds me of a faster version of Chris Horton who's better in coverage. He's too inconsistent as a tackler. That said if Thomas can move to SS; I think that's where he's better suited to play.
Bottom line; it's ignorant to say and determine a player can't contribute because of where he was drafted or can't start because he's a rookie, Especially in April.
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